Saddam Dead

[RobS]

Who said that quote....

People would rather die than think....
In fact they often do....

[EBORG9]

Yes, Saddam had our full sopport during the Iran/Iraq war, but the USSR was funding Iran so that was more of a cold war thing.
Osamma Bin Laden was also part of his forces back then, he faught as a CIA trained mercenary, in the same war.

So yes I guess you could say he was on the payroll.
I also guess you can say his services are no longer needed, and we will put his tax information in the mail.
He cashed his last paycheck a while ago.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by EBORG9

Yes, Saddam had our full sopport during the Iran/Iraq war, but the USSR was funding Iran so that was more of a cold war thing.
Osamma Bin Laden was also part of his forces back then, he faught as a CIA trained mercenary, in the same war.

So yes I guess you could say he was on the payroll.
I also guess you can say his services are no longer needed, and we will put his tax information in the mail.
He cashed his last paycheck a while ago.

I'm afraid you mix things up. Before he was ever elected president, Saddam was involved with a assasination attempt against the, in those days democratically, elected president of Iraq which failed, this was a CIA job and Saddam was one of the people who had to carry it out. He managed to get out of the country and was 'stashed' by the CIA in another middle east country for a couple of years, untill they moved him back in, this time as the leader of the Bath party which then was elected in because of gigantic campaigns to support him inside Iraq, funded by the USA.

Bin Laden was funded and trained by the US government to fight the Russians in Afghanistan and he even disliked Saddam, he is recorded to say that Saddam was not a true believer of Islam and bad for his people.

When Saddam turned against the USA the US government hired another terrorist to 'destabilize' Iraq, this was during the long time boycot of Iraq after the first desert storm war that freed Q8. This terrorist used car bombs to blow up markets etc. during years, using a team of well trained terrorists, their actions caused the idea that there was resistance against Saddams regime from the inside.

This terrorist is the same dude that was appointed by the US government to be the first Prime minister of Iraq after they became 'democratic' (hehhe, lol, 'democratic')

I can go on and on and everything I say can be veryfied with a little search effort, where it comes down to is that the USA causes a great deal of terrorism itself, in fact, there would have been very little terrorism the past 50 years if the US had not funded, trained and supported it all over the world. Yes, all over the world, Iraq is only one example, they are doing this kind of crap all over the world.

Anyone knowing this history can figure out that this world would be a more peaceful place without the USA messing it up everywhere with training and funding terrorists.

[RobS]

USA causes a great deal of terrorism itself, in fact, there would have been very little terrorism the past 50 years if the US had not funded, trained and supported it all over the world.

THAT should AT least make you in the US think....

There is a FACT you cannot argue with....

[Utexas]

Too much hype, I dont really give a hoot that he was killed.

[RobS]

Originally Posted by Utexas

Too much hype, I dont really give a hoot that he was killed.

Fair enough...but you are 18..as your sig states... so you wont remember the things he has done..he had his OWN grandchildren killed!

I am glad to see the tyrant get his sentence..though I think 15 years in jail first would have been good...

DEATH was too good for him..the easy way out..

[EBORG9]

Thanks Ferre, I have always gotten that wrong, I get it mixed up quite a bit ,(I was in college back then, dont remeber a whole lot past "Days of our Lives") but you are correct.
Yes the US causes terrorism, every advanced western country has an agenda somewhere in the world.
You can trace ours back to the Revolutionary War. They call the Boston Tea Party an act of terrorism.
Some of the reasoning for US bashing may be justified, in the eyes of the people that are doing the bashing, but I am an American, and I will always support my country, and my troops. I am proud of the time I served, and I make my disgust known with my vote, and a letter every now and then.

There is no place in the world I would rather live, and I will always back my Government with love support and respect, the same way I would a family member, who is going through a rough patch.

America is made of people and cultures from all around the world. There is a piece of everyone here. Not many of us are originals, so technically when you speak of America you are speaking of a 350 miilion person, cross section of the entire world in one place.

Every race, Nationallity, and religion is represented here with the right to vote.
British, Iraqi's, French, Mexican, Italian, Irish...(you get the picture.)
American is not a race.

This debate would be so much better if you were all in Vegas and we were drinking beer.

[Forsh]

Yes the US causes terrorism, every advanced western country has an agenda somewhere in the world.

And you say that as if it were ok? We are supposed to stand for something better than that. We used to stand for something better than that, not anymore.

Have you ever lived anywhere else in the world EBORG9? It's not like the entire world is living in slums under slavery, in fact it can be quite liberating to see the world and get a new perspective on life.

[Forsh]

Over three quarters of a million Iraqi children dead because of the Iraq sanctions - now an estimated over six hundred thousand Iraqis dead in the violence following the invasion of Iraq.

How can this be justified, at all?

[RobS]

Have you ever lived anywhere else in the world EBORG9? It's not like the entire world is living in slums under slavery, in fact it can be quite liberating to see the world and get a new perspective on life.

Amen to that.... at last...

[EBORG9]

Originally Posted by Forsh

Yes the US causes terrorism, every advanced western country has an agenda somewhere in the world.

And you say that as if it were ok? We are supposed to stand for something better than that. We used to stand for something better than that, not anymore.

Have you ever lived anywhere else in the world EBORG9? It's not like the entire world is living in slums under slavery, in fact it can be quite liberating to see the world and get a new perspective on life.

No not at all. Its not OK, but thats the way it is. And no I dont think America is the center of the Universe, and yes I have been outside the country.
( What do you think we all live under a rock with the Flag drapped over it?)

And you are right , we used to stand for something, but people used to vote also. Now all they do is bitch and say things like "Why? it's not like my vote is going to matter". Very few people vote anymore and that a huge problem. We cant solve anything until we get people involed with running the country
again.

Most of our problem is that we are selfish and only care about how things affect us directly. This country is not perfect and there are many things about it that I dont like, but they are products of American arrogance as a whole, not the Government. The Government is a reflection of societie's apathy.
If more people in our country cared about more than themselves, we would not have politicians that broke rules of morality, because they would not keep slipping into office.

Part of saying "God Bless America", is looking at our faults and weaknesses, and doing my part to correct them, in my way.
But there is nothing about my country that would make me turn my back on it . And I will support The USA to the grave.

[Ferre]

I hear ya, and I think that anyone feels that way about their country, I would never turn my back on my country either, but I turned my back on my government as soon as they committed war crimes, which they did by supporting the US with troops and money for the illegal invasion of Iraq.

I am disgusted by my government for using my tax money to commit war crimes in countries that we are not at war with and are no treath whatsoever to my country. Our constitution forbids what they have done and my government is just as wrong and in violation of the law as the USA government is, no difference. Our prime minister used the same lies to motivate sending troops to Iraq as Bush and Blair did and that makes him a lying war criminal just as Blair and Bush are and I hope that one day they all will be procecuted for that.

Those people in the Dutch government that supported the US and their Iraq invasion are not my representatives, they are low life scum and war criminals and I feel ashamed that my country joined the US in their imperialistic take-over of Iraq and it's resources.

[G10]

Originally Posted by EBORG9

And you are right , we used to stand for something, but people used to vote also. Now all they do is bitch and say things like "Why? it's not like my vote is going to matter". Very few people vote anymore and that a huge problem. We cant solve anything until we get people involed with running the country
again.

I believe what you said is true, it's just that voting doesn't matter anymore.

I admit that I don't fully understand all the political parties in the USA as I am from the UK but the issue arises here that it isn't the political parties that run the country and decide on who to invade. It is decided by business, money, a hand full of people make those decisions, no matter who's in power.

The UK is currently under a Labour government and though other parties bitch and moan on how we went to war, the bottom line is that they would have done the same thing.

We are run by oil, pharma's, tobbaco, genetic crops etc and they decide what goes on.

Don't believe me, then do some research on some of those industries and how they have hold of entire governments by the balls as they lie and cheat and people keep dying by the masses and yet they just keep expanding.

It isn't just the USA, the UK and loads of other countries also allow this to happen.

If you think I am wrong about the voting part, just wait until a new government comes into power and see what changes.

[Ferre]

The Dutch Newspapers report today that Saddam was being humiliated and insulted by the people that hanged him while they were executing him.

They shouted "Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada”, refering to Muqtada al-Sadr, a radical sjiitic fundamentalist leader who's father and uncle have been killed by Saddam's secret service. Another person tells Saddam that he will go straight to hell.

Saddam, with the rope around his neck, replies that they do not behave manly and stays calm, he then starts to say prayers which they interrupt by actually opening the gate he's standing on and hanging him.

It's all taped on video by one of the people who were there, on his cell phone.

You can view it here, but be warned, those are not nice images.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...am+video&hl=en


I have only one word for this whole affair; Barbaric.

[Sabeur]

Ok off topic: I think that Usma Bin Ladin is still working for CIA, the whole 9/11 thing was planned, I am sure of this because the Bin Ladin family and Bush worked together and the whole thing is a plan to start a World War this time against Arabs for their Oil.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by Sabeur

Ok off topic: I think that Usma Bin Ladin is still working for CIA, the whole 9/11 thing was planned, I am sure of this because the Bin Ladin family and Bush worked together and the whole thing is a plan to start a World War this time against Arabs for their Oil.

You make a few valid points Sabeur. Did you ever see this video?