Saddam Dead

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by RobS

That is it... thats true.. we DONT hate all of anyone.. I dont hate ANY American.. I just laugh at the WAY America is.. and American people reflect it..
alot of them...

They way America has portrayed ITSELF is what has gone wrong... and yet people like Nick cant see that...
You are SEEN by the rest of the world...and HOW you are seen is ONLY down to America.. you cant blame anyone else..

Wow, this post could win so many worst post awards.

First, you laugh at America? You think it is funny? What do you think is funny? You state that America is wrong in the war in Iraq, so you must think we are murderous people, and murder to you is funny? Odd sense of humour.

Secondly,

HOW you are seen is ONLY down to America.. you cant blame anyone else

Sure you can. This is absurd beyond absurd. It is directly opposed to the truth. There are always political forces with specific agendas at work, and how any nation is perceived is usually due to the work of spin doctors, not the truth.

and yet people like Nick cant see that...

That is logical argument? No? Then why say it?

You want to criticize America for liberating Iraq from Saddam, then please tell us what your plan was. Was it to just stand by with your hands in your pockets while Saddam and his buddies killed, raped and pillaged?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Sabeur

Yah, More4. He is right the US only United the world in hatred of it.

Back to Nick's problem, we don't hate the US as a whole, We hate its foreign policies which do more bad than good. Ok in the 9/11 event over 3000 died but in the Iraq and war on Terrorism over 1 million died and tell me is that just?

Use your head this is all for Oil and world controll!

By your logic, we should not have gone to war against Germany. They were not attacking the US. Going to war cost more US lives than it saved.

Oil? That is laughable. The US produces many times more oil than Iraq, and Americans decided to go war to liberate Iraq, not for oil. You can spew conspiracy theories until you are blue in the face, but it was Americans who fought that war, not any oil company. They did so for democracy.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

I have only one word for this whole affair; Barbaric.

No shit, dude. You think the US did that? Muslims are barbaric. They cut people up, they explode people, they torture people, they rape women, and all in the name of Allah.

But of course you will say that no Muslim ever hurt a fly until the USA was formed.

[John Scott]

One of the best anchors of liberty is a jury of peers. The Iraqi Constitution has zero provision for this right, proof that the new Iraq is NOT a democracy.

Japan does not have juries. I think juries are a dumb idea myself.

Democratically elected judges is a much better system.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by RobS

ADDED after my reply...

You mean you cant accept any other way than yours...

Well I obviously didn't insult anyone else.. I do NOT have a problem with Americans..I DO have a problem with those who stand up and preach.. "we are the biggest and best and most powerful.. we are here to sort OTHERS problems out which were not our doing, and we ARE right."

Thats how you and your country come across.. and its people like you who put that view over... yet you then comaplin that others dont see things your way.. and that you ARE right.. and that we are "bashers"....

Woah... we SEE what we see... its America that DOES it.. America that PROJECTS that view... if you DONT like it why do it?

You are just being naive and buying into the Euro-centric Anti-Americanism. Try to think for yourself.

Just because the popular kids say that Saddam was one cool dude does not make it a fact. Unfair trial? Bullshit. He was one of the most murderous tyrants alive.

[ramanean]

Originally Posted by John Scott

You are just being naive and buying into the Euro-centric Anti-Americanism. Try to think for yourself.

Just because the popular kids say that Saddam was one cool dude does not make it a fact. Unfair trial? Bullshit. He was one of the most murderous tyrants alive.

Yes that was an unfair trail but they want to hang Saddam now they could have done it earlier without knowing to any body as it would have saved a lot of lives

Since Saddam has been hanged by shiite Government already over 100 shias had lost their lives in car bombs planted by Sunni Muslims owing allegiance to Saddam

This could have been averted had Saddam had been killed by American troops without knowing to any body

[John Scott]

already over 100 shias had lost their lives in car bombs planted by Sunni Muslims owing allegiance to Saddam

Shiites and Sunnis have murdered each other for decades. They will continue to murder each other for decades. It is nothing that we can stop.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Yep, along with Kissinger (wanted for war crimes, and the reason he does not travel to Europe) and a few other people who are on the US administration's payroll. Saddam used to be on that payroll too.

What is your point? The US supported Saddam when it was in their interests to do so. Nothing wrong with that.

[Sabeur]

But their intrest led to the murder of people who were against America, When you say Muslim kill and rape - your saying Muslims as a whole kill in the name of Allah, but you see that not all arab countries kill - its a small group who have different idea of Islam. Muslims, Jews & Christains are all based around the same things and you can't go around saying Muslims Rape because the most people(as a Group) who do the most rape and killing are you western countries.

You say America went to Iraq to help them, but did anyone ask for help? America went to take their weapons which they never found.

John use your head, why when any problem in the world Amarica has to involved or started.

Cold war
World War
Iraq
Vietnam
Cuba

Alot of countries.

[John Scott]

But their intrest led to the murder of people who were against America

Huh?

When you say Muslim kill and rape - your saying Muslims as a whole kill in the name of Allah, but you see that not all arab countries kill - its a small group who have different idea of Islam

Small group? Ever heard of the Taliban? Ever heard of Iran, or Iraq or most other Muslim nations? Seriously, do some research before you go posting about some small group.

You say America went to Iraq to help them, but did anyone ask for help?

Um, yes. Again, do your research before posting. The Kurds and Shiites have been asking the US to intervene for decades.

John use your head, why when any problem in the world Amarica has to involved or started.

Yes, as a world leader the US does tend to be involved in most world issues. Your point is?

[Sabeur]

There is no point fighting an Admin, you think one way, i think else so know will win.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Sabeur

There is no point fighting an Admin, you think one way, i think else so know will win.

In debate, admin means nothing; facts and logic rule.

[Sabeur]

We have different Facts and Logic and we wont get anywhere.

Back to Saddam, killing him has caused more Us troops to died and Muslim believe Bush kill him on Eid was a threat to Arabs.

[RobS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by RobS View Post
That is it... thats true.. we DONT hate all of anyone.. I dont hate ANY American.. I just laugh at the WAY America is.. and American people reflect it..
alot of them...

They way America has portrayed ITSELF is what has gone wrong... and yet people like Nick cant see that...
You are SEEN by the rest of the world...and HOW you are seen is ONLY down to America.. you cant blame anyone else..

Wow, this post could win so many worst post awards.

Really... why?

First, you laugh at America? You think it is funny? What do you think is funny? You state that America is wrong in the war in Iraq, so you must think we are murderous people, and murder to you is funny? Odd sense of humour.

Where did I say it was wrong???? Where did I say you were muderous... ??
No where....

[quote]

HOW you are seen is ONLY down to America.. you cant blame anyone else
Sure you can. This is absurd beyond absurd. It is directly opposed to the truth. There are always political forces with specific agendas at work, and how any nation is perceived is usually due to the work of spin doctors, not the truth.

and yet people like Nick cant see that...

That is logical argument? No? Then why say it?

It is logical...

You want to criticize America for liberating Iraq from Saddam, then please tell us what your plan was. Was it to just stand by with your hands in your pockets while Saddam and his buddies killed, raped and pillaged?

Where did you get this idea from?? who said I complained about you liberating Iraq?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

What is your point? The US supported Saddam when it was in their interests to do so. Nothing wrong with that.

There is a lot wrong with that John.

Supporting murderous dictators that are trained by the CIA as assasins (Like Saddam was) isn't ethical, whatever 'reason' is given to justify it, it is not something a true democratic nation should be busy with.

The USA has a history of replacing democratically elected presidents with dictators via military coups, every time they have done that they have claimed that it was in their interests, while at the same time they claim that they 'protect' democracy all over the world. As we speak the USA is still attemptiing to destabilize South American countries that do not have governments that the USA can 'approve' off.

The problem with the USA and how it is perceived by other countries is its hypocrisy, for decaded the USA could get away with their crap because 'the public' just didn't know what they were doing. That has changed since the internet. Today, when they commit crimes the truth comes out a lot faster and 'the public' isn't as gullible as they used to be.

If the USA would believe that what they are doing is right, they would not go into such lengths to cover it all up, the fact that they cover their actions up is prove that they know that's it is totally wrong.

International laws (which are signed by the USA) do not allow to interfere in the local politics of other democratic governments, doing that is a crime, and a serious one at that. Supporting terrorists is not something to take lightly and the USA is the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world.

Remember, Iran DID NOT train El Quada, the CIA did. Iran did not train the Contras in Nicaragua, the CIA did. They even funded the IRA at one point.

We are living in times where history is catching up on the USA. The past ten years there has been more information 'on the streets' than ever before and many of the USA's cover ups have been blown away.

The USA is like a child that is caught with his hands in the candy jar but doesn't realize it yet.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Yes, as a world leader the US does tend to be involved in most world issues.

You miss one word; self-proclaimed world leader.

The world does not see it that way and the world does not accept it either. If 'the world' wants a 'leader' we are very much capable of electing one ourselves and I can tell you one thing already, if the world has to elect a 'world leader' I doubt that America would even be