Obama, Cocaine, Muslims, and the presidency...

[Thalasar]

Originally Posted by Nick

I don't see a point in answering a simple question like that. I know the differences but what is the point of information regurgitation? Is this a multiple choice or fill in the blank test. This isn't a classroom and I don't need to be quizzed, Professor Know-it-all.

You are making statements that 'you' belief are facts.

Trying to gauge my level of intelligence.... is that how you guys like to play, taking shots below the belt for no reason.

Typical.

Insulting intelligence over the internet is pathetic.

I never insulted your intelligence. In fact if you read my posts I clearly mention your knowledge level. The simple fact you are unable to answer the question indicates maybe you should bone up a bit on the region before you starting offering a opinion. I was trying to gauge the depth of your knowledge but you took it to a be an insult to your intelligence. Well take the way you want - I never mentioned your intelligence, you did.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Thalasar

I never insulted your intelligence. In fact if you read my posts I clearly mention your knowledge level. The simple fact you are unable to answer the question indicates maybe you should bone up a bit on the region before you starting offering a opinion. I was trying to gauge the depth of your knowledge but you took it to a be an insult to your intelligence. Well take the way you want - I never mentioned your intelligence, you did.

Is this another RobS.

You said my intelligence was "incredibly lacking". Duh, uh.... did I miss that?

Just because I didn't answer such a dumb question of yours and read some leftist articles, you take a stab at my intelligence level.

I provided the numbers of the oil imports and you guys are trying to make a case around them.

I don't need to post articles on why the Iraq war isn't for oil because you wouldn't read them.

[Thalasar]

Originally Posted by Nick

Is this another RobS.

You said my intelligence was "incredibly lacking". Duh, uh.... did I miss that?

Just because I didn't answer such a dumb question of yours and read some leftist articles, you take a stab at my intelligence level.

I provided the numbers of the oil imports and you guys are trying to make a case around them.

I don't need to post articles on why the Iraq war isn't for oil because you wouldn't read them.

Here's the quote
http://www.v7n.com/forums/politics/4...tml#post536033

and here's the relevant section,

"Just trying to gauge your level of knowledge which is incredibly lacking."

So yes you completely missed what I actually typed. I understand your point about imports - but clearly you ignored mine about proven reserves.

Dude I read the corner.nationalreview.com every day so I read plenty o conservative stuff. I also read CaptainsQuarters blog.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Thalasar

Here's the quote
http://www.v7n.com/forums/politics/4...tml#post536033

and here's the relevant section,

"Just trying to gauge your level of knowledge which is incredibly lacking."

So yes you completely missed what I actually typed. I understand your point about imports - but clearly you ignored mine about proven reserves.

Dude I read the corner.nationalreview.com so I read plenty o conservative stuff.

I read your point on reserves; however, it's a theory based on speculation of future dealings with Iraq. If it happens this way, you can slap an "I told ya so" on my forehead. But, I really doubt it.

There is no clear sign this is the case so right now it's not a 'fact'.

[Thalasar]

Originally Posted by Nick

I read your point on reserves; however, it's a theory based on speculation of future dealings with Iraq. If it happens this way, you can slap an "I told ya so" on my forehead. But, I really doubt it.

There is no clear sign this is the case so right now it's not a 'fact'.

Iraq's oil reserves are a proven fact. I am not sure what is up for debate there. The fact of the reserves or the amount?

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Thalasar

Iraq's oil reserves are a proven fact. I am not sure what is up for debate there. The fact of the reserves or the amount?

I think you misunderstood me. The reserves are a fact yes, but the fact that the US strictly went to war for those reserves is not.

[Thalasar]

Well I am pretty sure the reasons we went to war a multi variant such as WMD, democracy, access to oil, draining the swamp of the Middle East, 9/11. But you have to admit only guarding the Oil Ministry during the fall of Baghdad and then the current oil services contract negotiated by the US with the Maliki government (on terms previously unheard of when working with nationalized oil companies) are somewhat suspicious.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Thalasar

Well I am pretty sure the reasons we went to war a multi variant such as WMD, democracy, access to oil, draining the swamp of the Middle East, 9/11. But you have to admit only guarding the Oil Ministry during the fall of Baghdad and then the current oil services contract negotiated by the US with the Maliki government (on terms previously unheard of when working with nationalized oil companies) are somewhat suspicious.

If the US was indeed draining the swamp of the Middle East and accessing the oil, it would show up in numbers, import numbers.

Unless Iraq mysteriously moves up in the ranks of importers, it's pure speculation.

[Thalasar]

Originally Posted by Nick

If the US was indeed draining the swamp of the Middle East and accessing the oil, it would show up in numbers, import numbers.

Unless Iraq mysteriously moves up in the ranks of importers, it's pure speculation.

Draining the swamp refers to terrorism not oil drilling.

Import numbers? Not really. You need to become familar with how the oil market functions - increasing supply even if you do not consume the oil yourself has the effect of lowering prices. So additional Iraqi oil flowing to Europe will free up supply elsewhere lowering prices. We cannot buy too much oil from Iraq - they only have one deep water port which is in poor shape from the years of embargo.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by Nick

If the US was indeed draining the swamp of the Middle East and accessing the oil, it would show up in numbers, import numbers.

Unless Iraq mysteriously moves up in the ranks of importers, it's pure speculation.

They are trying hard to get that oil out of Iraq, and if it was not for huge sabotage on their pipe lines (all guarded by US military) they would indeed have easy access to that oil. It's not that they don't attempt, it's just that those Arabs are not stupid and sabotage them as much as they possibly can.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Ferre

They are trying hard to get that oil out of Iraq, and if it was not for huge sabotage on their pipe lines (all guarded by US military) they would indeed have easy access to that oil. It's not that they don't attempt, it's just that those Arabs are not stupid and sabotage them as much as they possibly can.

If the wells and pipelines weren't guarded, we would have another version of Desert Storm well burnings...



If we were trying to get it out, believe me, we could. It's just simply not what we are there for.

[Thalasar]

Originally Posted by Nick

If the wells and pipelines weren't guarded, we would have another version of Desert Storm well burnings...



If we were trying to get it out, believe me, we could. It's just simply not what we are there for.

It's not the only reason, that's certainly true. I am not as cynical as Ferre there. I am pretty sure that the current Administration also had good intentions when invading Iraq. Of course we know what road is paved with good intentions.

[Ferre]

Yeah, it's all for the safety of the children, of course, America is pure noble.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Yeah, it's all for the safety of the children, of course, America is pure noble.

Yeah, we pride ourselves on killing children. Please.

[micksss]

Originally Posted by Ferre

You keep cracking me up, you telling me that the US has no interest in Iraqi oil?

Sadly, I think that the interests have proved to be: destroying everything and having our corporations rebuild; having more military bases in the middle east; and yes oil.

[zcoder]

Just don't tell your Mamma, your voting for Obama.

Zcoder....

[hyperspace]

Did you hear Obama is using that Beach Boys song "Kokomo" as his campaign theme song?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Thalasar

"Muslims have declared a jihad on America"

No they haven't but thanx for playing. Unless of course suddenly Bin Laden and his ilk represent all muslims.

GWB was an alcoholic and coke fiend yet no one attacked him in the same way.

http://www.chieftain.com/national/1178695484/1

No connection to Bin Laden.

The Muslim jihad against the West is not limited to Bin Laden. It's rather widespread.

[Mark07]

Originally Posted by Ferre

They are trying hard to get that oil out of Iraq, and if it was not for huge sabotage on their pipe lines (all guarded by US military) they would indeed have easy access to that oil. It's not that they don't attempt, it's just that those Arabs are not stupid and sabotage them as much as they possibly can.

I would certainly concur with you on that one.

America has its own advantages by capturing as much of the Gulf land for its own profit and that should be one of the main reasons that the terrorists will not leave America alone until their troops are out of the Gulf soil and also other regions of Islamic soil where they have forced themselves.

It would be wrong to point at each and every Muslim being on a Jihad as it’s not that way and also it won’t be simply fair in terms of humanity.

[sfod_d223]

It's insane to think the bin laden is the only leader of a radical group to hate America. It's not a singular group or individual, these anti-American beliefs can come from years of the Middle East's population as being humiliated under colonialism and being subjugated by more powerful countries.