We use books that call Jews 'apes' admits head of Islamic school

jg_v7n · 02-07-2007, 01:09 PM

What is the world coming to?

And the head teacher actually defends the use of these "books".

Anyone know of a nice peacefull planet nearby that I can move to...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23384657-details/We+do+use+books+that+call+Jews+'apes'+admits+head+ of+Islamic+school/article.do

maldives · 02-07-2007, 01:10 PM

No arguments over religion please! Live in peace!

jg_v7n · 02-07-2007, 01:15 PM

Its not about Religion, its about common human decency.

maldives · 02-07-2007, 01:28 PM

All religious books talk bad about other religoins. You wanna fly to moon to escape from billions of muslims?

IslaScotts · 02-07-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by maldives

All religious books talk bad about other religoins. You wanna fly to moon to escape from billions of muslims?

Saying your religion doesn't like another religion is one thing. They are teaching hatred. They are trying to teach kids that there are other humans out there that are on the same level as animals, not in fact human.. but sub-level humans. I don't know about you, but that is teaching outright hatred. Where do apes belong? Certainly not among us humans, certainly not working jobs, certainly not living in houses. Apes are animals.. and I have plenty of Jewish friends to know... they aren't animals... but in fact valuable human beings just like the rest of us.

maldives · 02-07-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by IslaScotts

Saying your religion doesn't like another religion is one thing. They are teaching hatred. They are trying to teach kids that there are other humans out there that are on the same level as animals, not in fact human.. but sub-level humans. I don't know about you, but that is teaching outright hatred. Where do apes belong? Certainly not among us humans, certainly not working jobs, certainly not living in houses. Apes are animals.. and I have plenty of Jewish friends to know... they aren't animals... but in fact valuable human beings just like the rest of us.

I fully agree with what you have just said! It is really bad that they teach this and defend the teachings. That suc*s!

jg_v7n · 02-07-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by maldives

All religious books talk bad about other religoins. You wanna fly to moon to escape from billions of muslims?

Are we on the same page?

Not all religious books talk bad about other religions. Most religious books don't talk about other religions. And very very few call members of the other religions "pigs" or "apes". Not unless you come from 1939 Nazi Germany they dont.

And...

1) It says nothing about them being Religious books. They are Maths books for all we know.

2) Its not Muslims that I want to excape from, its the hatred, wherever it comes from.

3) And in anycase, is that supposed to be a defense?

zcoder · 02-09-2007, 12:49 PM

Would the Muslim Religious belife that all infadiles must die in the name
of Allah fall under this?? or is it the exception to the rule?

Zcoder....

Brian · 02-09-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by zcoder

Would the Muslim Religious belife that all infadiles must die in the name
of Allah fall under this?? or is it the exception to the rule?

Zcoder....

you can place it next to the crusades

zcoder · 02-09-2007, 05:05 PM

We know it's a crusade, I am talking about the Quran being filled with
hate for infadiles all over the book.

where does that fit into this issue???

Zcoder....

Brian · 02-09-2007, 05:09 PM

Still trying to figure out what an 'infadile' is.

IslaScotts · 02-09-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by zcoder

We know it's a crusade, I am talking about the Quran being filled with
hate for infadiles all over the book.

where does that fit into this issue???

Zcoder....

Well I am trying to search through the English translated version of the Qur'an found here. I will get back to you on how much hate or "morally questionable" instructions.

zcoder · 02-09-2007, 06:22 PM

Good luck, couse I have been reading it off and on for over 6 years
and it's like trying to find stuff in the bible. not easy.

Anyway you may not find the word infedile ect as that means non beliver
non-beliver of islam.

read this knowing that unbelievers means non-islam

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[2:190-192] And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (in Makkah) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the reward of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

and there is lot more in there, but this one is the one that the terrist
use to hijack islam and the Quran to create more terrist.

Zcoder....

IslaScotts · 02-09-2007, 06:23 PM

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They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

But it says in the very next verse:

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Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

That is only out of 1 whole chapter. There is 114 chapters. I will continue on here and there trying to find this hate you speak of. But judging from what I have read so far, this book isn't drastically different in the way of the Christian bible. The Qur'an talks about non-believers residing in a pit of fire, it talks about how non-believers will be fought against and sent to hell on judgment day. It talks about giving to charity and treating others with respect and kindness.

IslaScotts · 02-09-2007, 06:33 PM

zcoder you have a very funny way of reading things. It instructs them to fight against believes and nonbelievers alike if they are trying to fight them. But if they approach with peace and non-violence then they must not fight. You speak of the Qur'an as if it is an instruction manual for war and hate as you said:

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We know it's a crusade, I am talking about the Quran being filled with
hate for infadiles all over the book.

where does that fit into this issue???

Zcoder....

The EXTREMISTS take the Qur'an and twist it to fit their needs, just like Christian EXTREMISTS take the bible and twist it to meet their needs. So it doesn't matter what religion or what book they use to try to justify it, they are all extremists and are renounced by the heads of these religious organizations. Thats like saying people who bomb and murder abortion clinicians get that way because the Bible is filled with hate against non-believers and sinners. The bible has "hate" against all heathens and puts them in the same place the Qur'an does... in hell. It's wrong to say such things about the Qur'an, because anyone can take what they want from a book and ignore the rest. People do it every single day all over the world with books. So lets be realistic here.. you are against the extremists, not the words they twisted to become extremists.

zcoder · 02-09-2007, 06:45 PM

Yeah, it does, and no one has ever said that it don't.
islam means submission to Him, Him being Alah.

This is where the terrist twist the word to mean islam must be spread
throughout the world in submission as if to mean to force islam on others.

Also, islam does speak of jesus as a Messanger, so islam does belive
in jesus. So you are right. it is very close to christian belifes.

But a good study of islam in as far as it's storys and it's parables
like the bible has, is more violent then the bible.

You would have to really study it long and hard to learn.

I myself know that islam was not meant to be twisted out of order as
the terrist have done, but that is left to the reader of islam to interpret
it right.

Zcoder....

zcoder · 02-09-2007, 06:48 PM

Right, so now I ask again, does islam or the Quran fit into this issue???
if you include extream Christians do you also include extream islam's
in this issue of this post???

or it islam the exeption to the rule of bashing???

Zcoder....

IslaScotts · 02-09-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by zcoder

Yeah, it does, and no one has ever said that it don't.
islam means submission to Him, Him being Alah.

This is where the terrist twist the word to mean islam must be spread
throughout the world in submission as if to mean to force islam on others.

Also, islam does speak of jesus as a Messanger, so islam does belive
in jesus. So you are right. it is very close to christian belifes.

But a good study of islam in as far as it's storys and it's parables
like the bible has, is more violent then the bible.

You would have to really study it long and hard to learn.

I myself know that islam was not meant to be twisted out of order as
the terrist have done, but that is left to the reader of islam to interpret
it right.

Zcoder....

There is a lot of other books to the bible... ones that are very violent. And if you think the King James bible doesn't have violence in it, I suggest you read it again. I am actually glad the Qur'an has more violent stories and parables.. it is the truth of their history, their people. War has been raging in that part of the world for over 2,000 years; to exclude violence would be a denial to the roots of these people. But violence and hate are two completely different things. You must remember that religious books such as the Qur'an and Bible also serve as historical accounts of the time and place in which they were written.