Dancing in bars is illegal in New York

[Dustin07]

why not change it on the "regulated militia", which, frankly, nobody needs any more!

that's sissy talk. Militias are important.

[robert s.]

i just wonder, how all the other nations are surviving, without militias and without guns in every household.

[Dustin07]

many of them aren't.

i really think you ought to come visit America before judging it so sternly. I don't think you actually know what you are talking about.

[South]

Originally Posted by robert s.

south,

yes the constitution is one of the most valuable documents ever written - but 200 years ago, indians did not count at all and blacks only for 3/5. so, if the constitution was changed in this points (i think we can agree on that!), why not change it on the "regulated militia", which, frankly, nobody needs any more!

and as for death penalty being justice: i just think, killing is wrong! and if somebody comitts acrime, killing this person does not change the situation - it is just wrong! lock them up, throw away the key - but killing is wrong!

about the lying - i know, the UN is not very highly appreciated in the US, but if you read the reports of the UN at that time, they were guaranteing(!), that in Iraq are no WOMD. i am quite sure, rumsfeld, bush, cheney knew this reports.

The death penalty issue is one I wrestle with myself. I wish it would serve better as a deterrent. For that reason I wish they were more public....more visual. Some people also argue that locking someone up for a lifetime is cruel.

Peoples right to own guns will never cease in America. I love guns and own many. Some are for hunting, some have family history value, and some I just like and collect. What's more, I have the right and means to use deadly force to protect my family from intruders.

As far as organized militias...no, they're not heavily used today, but why would we throw away the right to what we may need in the future?

It's a shame when someone uses a firearm to hurt innocent people. That's not a gun problem; it's a social issue that can be traced back the breakdown of social values. Strangely enough, most of the people that use school shootings and such as an argument to disarm law abiding citizens are the same ones who support the social changes that lead to those very incidents. People with a broken mind don't need guns to express that. Ask any suicide bomber you know.

And you're right about the US view of the U.N. It's an impotent, corrupt farce that would be better dismantled and forgotten. I would be no more willing to bet American lives on their "guarantee" than Bush was.

[robert s.]

ooh, i was, i was!! loved new york, san francisco, hated las vegas, stunned by the grand canyon and yellowstone, not very impressed by the rockies. all in all i have been now more or less 20 times in the us. watched a superbowl live (go bears!), got an original autograph from joe montana, was in the hall of fame for baseball, kneed before "the babe" and followed for two weeks the bulls with MJ. i still think, hawaii is the most beautiful place on earth, i still adore martin luther king, JFK, muhammad ali and elvis.
but i also saw the bad side: homeless, slums, bible-bashers, wrong lawsuits, bush, cheney, rice and rumsfeld, schwarzenegger, racism, the reservstes for the indians, the environmental pollution, guns free for sale.....
i think, i know a bit what i am talking about!

[South]

Originally Posted by robert s.

ooh, i was, i was!! loved new york, san francisco, hated las vegas, stunned by the grand canyon and yellowstone, not very impressed by the rockies. all in all i have been now more or less 20 times in the us. watched a superbowl live (go bears!), got an original autograph from joe montana, was in the hall of fame for baseball, kneed before "the babe" and followed for two weeks the bulls with MJ. i still think, hawaii is the most beautiful place on earth, i still adore martin luther king, JFK, muhammad ali and elvis.
but i also saw the bad side: homeless, slums, bible-bashers, wrong lawsuits, bush, cheney, rice and rumsfeld, schwarzenegger, racism, the reservstes for the indians, the environmental pollution, guns free for sale.....
i think, i know a bit what i am talking about!

Seeing it and understanding it are two different things. Many of the things you love exist only because of the things you hate. America has been built by fire from the ground up. That may be the damnable shame of it but that's also the character of it.

[robert s.]

the un is a corrupt farce - some might say the same about the us government nowadays!

[South]

Originally Posted by robert s.

the un is a corrupt farce - some might say the same about the us government nowadays!

All governments are corrupt to some degree. The UN is corrupt and useless.

[robert s.]

Originally Posted by South

Seeing it and understanding it are two different things. Many of the things you love exist only because of the things you hate. America has been built by fire from the ground up. That may be the damnable shame of it but that's also the character of it.

thankfully, the grand canyon, yellowstone, hawaii were here long before us humans and will be long after us.

[robert s.]

Originally Posted by South

The UN is corrupt and useless.

about all governments being corrupt: could not agree more, but bush and friends pushed the corruption-barriers in never before seen regions..

and for the UN being useless: somehow i think that people in Kosovo, Sudan, Golan-Highths, would disagree with you!

[South]

Originally Posted by robert s.

but bush and friends pushed the corruption-barriers in never before seen regions..

You are kidding....right? New regions?

[Dustin07]

but i also saw the bad side: homeless, slums, bible-bashers, wrong lawsuits, bush, cheney, rice and rumsfeld, schwarzenegger, racism, the reservstes for the indians, the environmental pollution, guns free for sale.....
i think, i know a bit what i am talking about!

yeah. it sucks living in the only country with racism and homeless people. crying shame

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by Dustin07

yeah. it sucks living in the only country with racism and homeless people. crying shame

Most countries have racism and homeless people, but not many countries have reservates where they 'keep' the original inhabitants like they do with wild life in Africa.

[South]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Most countries have racism and homeless people, but not many countries have reservates where they 'keep' the original inhabitants like they do with wild life in Africa.

That's true. Most countries would force them to assimilate or die. Very few people conquering another would allow the defeated people to retain parts of the land with a fair degree of sovereignty and the ability to legislate themselves by tribal council that precedes jurisdiction of the conquering people.

And all natives have the choice to live within the reserved culture or leave it at will. Nobody "keeps" them anywhere.

[Dustin07]

The reservations are basically sovereign nations. We don't have control over them. Although we do pay for much of their needs that their own governments would typically need to cover (like road work).

[EBORG9]

Originally Posted by robert s.

ooh, i was, i was!! loved new york, san francisco, hated las vegas, stunned by the grand canyon and yellowstone, not very impressed by the rockies. all in all i have been now more or less 20 times in the us. watched a superbowl live (go bears!), got an original autograph from joe montana, was in the hall of fame for baseball, kneed before "the babe" and followed for two weeks the bulls with MJ. i still think, hawaii is the most beautiful place on earth, i still adore martin luther king, JFK, muhammad ali and elvis.
but i also saw the bad side: homeless, slums, bible-bashers, wrong lawsuits, bush, cheney, rice and rumsfeld, schwarzenegger, racism, the reservstes for the indians, the environmental pollution, guns free for sale.....
i think, i know a bit what i am talking about!

You HATED VEGAS?!! Nobody hates Vegas.

I guess it would all depend on what you saw, what you did, and what you are used to.
I was raised in a big city, have always been in a big city, and cannot survive in anything less.
I guess you learn how to survive in the environment that you are used to.
I can count hundreds of people that I have known that have moved to this town, and could not survive.
I, on the other, hand would probably lose my mind in a small quiet town, and probably could not survive on the simple life.
(wow, lot of I's in there)

[Dustin07]

I actually didn't really like Vegas too much either I got bored. We went to a couple shows and a comedy club, but when it came down to it... I would have rather been on a beach in Mexico drinking Corona

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by South

fair degree of sovereignty and the ability to legislate themselves by tribal council that precedes jurisdiction of the conquering people.

Not really.

http://www.thenativepress.com/business/hemp.html

" They're treating us like second-class citizens, like wards of the state," says White Plume, who is considering suing the government for compensation and has started soliciting donations to a legal fund. "To me, it's like the US going into Canada and raiding a hemp field over there."