europe, the fall to islam?

[Zap]

ZCoder: Do you not know any muslims who don't want to kill you?

[zcoder]

I know many who don't want to kill me, alot but they would also
tell you that if they was the majority and the islamic leaders ordered
me to be rounded up and killed, they would have to do so, according to
islamic law.

Do you know any? if so go ask them to teach you islam, and while they
do so, ask these types of questions, and ask for the full truth.
I am sure you will be surprized, and it's not that they are bad people
but is required of them to be islam, and to abide by Mohammad laws.

I have interviewed many here in the US as well as over in europe and in
isreal, where I find more horrible storys of what took place in lebanon.

I started out only to help print the differenc's in islam and radical islam
but failed after 5 years to find the difference's yet we are told that there
is, but then again no islamic group will stand up and denounce the redical
islam as not being islam and to educate the world on just what islam is
and what the difference is in islam and radical islam.

Most of the studys of mine and many other writters who shared notes
on this subject was that they by islamic law can't talk against radical
islam becouse there is no difference. couse if there was they could then
speak out against it.

Zcoder....

[Zap]

ZCoder: You'll find that there are a great many religions that have their fair share of horror stories attached to acts in their name. I do know muslims and, despite what you say, I find it difficult to believe that people I have known for up to 20 years or more are going to kill me and my family because some book tells them to.

I think you need to choose your friends more carefully.

[zcoder]

I think you need to choose your friends more carefully.

90% of these people who I interviewed where not friends, nore has I
ever meet them before until I went to visit them.
nore is people of the islamic faith bad people. What you don't understand is
that islam is a strict religion, and that and has not changed in 1000's of
years. and if you don't accept their god, then so be it for you.

They are not killers and islam is full of very peacefull laws and good will to
all men, but not so much for women, nore for non-islamic people.

The problem with 90% of the worlds population is they think they know islam
but don't even know 30% of what islam is about.

None of this has anything to do with my friends. But I find that to be
comical at best.

Zcoder....

[Zap]

I understand more about Islam and the Koran than you seem to believe without knowing me.

I still don't believe muslims are going to rise up and cut my head off any more than I believe that I will be stoned to death by some christian any time soon.

I'm just not that paranoid.

[robert s.]

Originally Posted by Zap

ZCoder: You'll find that there are a great many religions that have their fair share of horror stories attached to acts in their name. I do know muslims and, despite what you say, I find it difficult to believe that people I have known for up to 20 years or more are going to kill me and my family because some book tells them to.

I think you need to choose your friends more carefully.

could not agree more.......
the islam was founded about 600 years after christianity and now just take a look back what the christians did 500 or 600 years ago. for sure you will find a time where the christians are not really proud of.

the unfortunate thing is that nowadays the loudest voice gets the most recognition in medias. i personally know enough muslim people, who absolutely(!!!) disagree with bombings and terror and they also speak out against. but somehow their voices never make the headlines.

you will always have fanatics and crazies. not only in islam in every religion, in every political party, even amongst sports-fans you will find people who are ready and willing to kill people who think different. but as sure as the dallas cowboys fans will never rule over the NFL, the islam will never rule europe.

[zcoder]

you don't have to be paranoid, that would make no sence.
as I don't belive you are in any danger. But someday, some gerations
from now. I only wished you could have has the ability as I did to go
to isreal, and meet many people who, survived what took place in
lebanon, and how it was not really the average islamic person who
did these things but the leaders of the islamic group in lebanon.

And the storys go into detail how they had to hide, and run while even
people they once knew who where of islamic faith turned their backs
on these people. so the average person of islamic faith did not really
do any killing, but did nothing to help eather.

All of these storys are recorded in archives as well as what I was told
first hand by visting the people who experince all this horrer.
and these same people tell you how they was born in lebanon and
raised there as christians, and hated isreal. yet a day came when they
ran to isreal for help, and isreal gave them help. a safe haven.

now most of lebanon is of islamic faith and is an example of what can
happen if islam grows in any country and becomes the majority.
and it's not the average people there you need to fear, but yet you
can't depend on them to help in your time of need.

You can't look at all this in an unreal light, I am sure if you went through
such a thing or could talk to those who did, you would belive it could happen
anywhere.

Zcoder....

[Ferre]

Funny how you don't seem to know that Lebanon was CREATED by the French, Germans and the British in a traditional islamic area and was intended to be a "christian nation".

That didn't work out very well now did it?

[zcoder]

I knew that, But what do you mean by "That didn't work out very well now
did it"?

Zcoder....

[Ferre]

It shows that foreign nations can try whatever they want to change other cultures artificially, it won't work on the long run.

[zcoder]

Did you also tell the French, Germans and the British that their plan would
not work, and that if it did not work, that it would be ok for Hezbollah to
kill every christian and anyother religous people?

I guess what Hezbollah does is ok, But shame on the Isreals huh?

and do the French, Germans and the British all have yoke on their face's

Zcoder....

[G10]

Originally Posted by zcoder

and after all the west is based on the belive that all people are equal and have rights. and if they can't acept the way we live in a free world, they should not be allowed to come to our countrys.

they have their own, and we the west would leave them be, if they
want to live their life with their religion their way in their own country.

Zcoder....

Don't give me this "we would leave them be if they stayed in their own country" crap.

1, Until not too long ago, us western countries strongly believed in slavery and a lot of our countries were built on this system.

2, If these countries tried developing nuclear fuels so as to power their systems, Western countries would soon be pounding on their doors and trying to force them to stop.

Thing is, we seem to have to tell other countries how to run their business because maybe one day, they could be a threat, just like we are a threat to them and we couldn't have an even playing field now could we. We must always hold the advantage.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by zcoder

Did you also tell the French, Germans and the British that their plan would
not work, and that if it did not work, that it would be ok for Hezbollah to
kill every christian and anyother religous people?

Hezbollah does not want to kill all Christians dude, get real please. Hezbollah wants Israel to leave the occupied areas in Lebanon, as the UN has ordered them to do many years ago.

Originally Posted by zcoder

I guess what Hezbollah does is ok, But shame on the Isreals huh?

No, I don't think what Hezbollah does is all ok, but you seem not to realize that they represent a great deal of the Lebanese people and are democratically elected as part of the Lebanese government by those same people. I guess you are not familiar with international law, but parties from legally elected governments should be respected by other nations, despite not having to agree with them.

I know that your country has been going through great efforts to paint them off a crazy terrorist organisation, but the only thing they fight for is to free Lebanon from an illegal occupation, as far as I know they have no other intentions than that.

Originally Posted by zcoder

and do the French, Germans and the British all have yoke on their face's

Zcoder....

Again. Seek help.

[maldives]

Originally Posted by zcoder

I know many who don't want to kill me, alot but they would also
tell you that if they was the majority and the islamic leaders ordered
me to be rounded up and killed, they would have to do so, according to
islamic law.

Do you know any? if so go ask them to teach you islam, and while they
do so, ask these types of questions, and ask for the full truth.
I am sure you will be surprized, and it's not that they are bad people
but is required of them to be islam, and to abide by Mohammad laws.

I have interviewed many here in the US as well as over in europe and in
isreal, where I find more horrible storys of what took place in lebanon.

I started out only to help print the differenc's in islam and radical islam
but failed after 5 years to find the difference's yet we are told that there
is, but then again no islamic group will stand up and denounce the redical
islam as not being islam and to educate the world on just what islam is
and what the difference is in islam and radical islam.

Most of the studys of mine and many other writters who shared notes
on this subject was that they by islamic law can't talk against radical
islam becouse there is no difference. couse if there was they could then
speak out against it.

Zcoder....

Nothing but nonsense.

[robert s.]

@ maldives: short but absolutely true!

[zcoder]

Originally Posted by robert s.

@ maldives: short but absolutely true!

Your statement was based of what facts?
what facts can you provide that is solid that would
show that islam is different then redical islam.

And what islamic group is speaking out publicly against
radical islam?? the facts must be solid, and not off some
propaganda site.

otherwise, I will assume you to be a person who belives things without
you yourself researching the facts before you accept such crap.
which is foolish and un-credible at most. which then would mean that
you are a follower, not a self thinker.

Zcoder....

[sitetutor]

Originally Posted by Zap

You're still doing it. There are millions upon millions of Muslims that are not radical.
They are my neighbours, my friends, coworkers, etc.

Many muslims are not radicals, as many christians are not radicals, either.

but but but but but

There is a big difference between saying Muslims and Islam. Muslims as people are people, some follow Islam truly, others are more lax about it. But Islam in itself with all of it´s anti Christian and anti Jewish writings is a whole different story. Once again, people follow that religion not knowing any better and making them bad people for it automatically is wrong. But the essence of Islam is ...


well, you know my opinion about that one.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

but but but but but

There is a big difference between saying Muslims and Islam. Muslims as people are people, some follow Islam truly, others are more lax about it. But Islam in itself with all of it´s anti Christian and anti Jewish writings is a whole different story. Once again, people follow that religion not knowing any better and making them bad people for it automatically is wrong. But the essence of Islam is ...


well, you know my opinion about that one.

The bible too is full of demands to kill those who practise other religions (see deuteronomy 13) and that doesn't make me believe that all christians are out to kill me. Some people think that only islam preaches hatred towards other religions, but fact is that it is part of the Judeo-Christian (Abrahamic) writings, which Islam and Christianity are both based upon. In fact, apart from a couple of minor details both Islam and Christianity are very much the same religion, funny how many people are ignorant about that.