Abortion is this the answer to unplanned pregnancies?

[cldnails]

Originally Posted by Maxibon

I think abortion is a good thing and a bad thing.
Imagine your child got a baby when she is like 14,15 or 16 what would you do? A baby will destroy the futur for your child. She wouldnt have the time to study or be with all of her friends.
I understand when people think it should be illegal because its like killing someone, so its a hard decision but I am more for it then against abortion.

It's called being responsible. If she's old enough to have sex, she's old enough to be responsible.

Abortion is killing innocent children, no matter if they were raped or not. Period.

[ewomack]

I think we should ban guns and abortion. Then both born and unborn innocents will stop dying.

[Ferre]

Frankly, on abortus, I don't give a damn. It's none of our business if, when or why a woman decides to have an abortion. Down here it's as legal as smoking weed, taking any other kind of drug, prostitution, gay marriages and a lot more of which 'moral warriers' somehow always need to command other people how they should think about it and worse of all, make laws to control their personal lives.

That whole abortion debate is a joke for anyone who isn't effected by the I-need-to-control-you-virus that sadly enough has spread troughout the world.

Reading the comments on here makes me feel relieved that the puritans and calvinists left our country long time ago. Really, I can't tell you how glad I am that I don't live in a culture where people have that control virus.

[blm03]

I have had a miscarriage. You know what that is called for insurance purposes? Missed abortion.

So does that make me an abortionist?

[waffles]

No, that makes the insurance people insensitive *******s.

[blm03]

Dustin, no offense, but it is the truth. Please explain to me why insurance companies will cover Viagra but don't cover birth control. Its not being bleak. It is the way things are.

[blm03]

Originally Posted by waffles

No, that makes the insurance people insensitive *******s.

Thanks for the laugh. They also didn't want to cover my emergency room visit since "it wasn't an emergency" even though my OBGYN told me to go there.

Trust me, don't get me going on insurance companies.

[ewomack]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Frankly, on abortus, I don't give a damn. It's none of our business if, when or why a woman decides to have an abortion. Down here it's as legal as smoking weed, taking any other kind of drug, prostitution, gay marriages and a lot more of which 'moral warriers' somehow always need to command other people how they should think about it and worse of all, make laws to control their personal lives.

That whole abortion debate is a joke for anyone who isn't effected by the I-need-to-control-you-virus that sadly enough has spread troughout the world.

Reading the comments on here makes me feel relieved that the puritans and calvinists left our country long time ago. Really, I can't tell you how glad I am that I don't live in a culture where people have that control virus.

For the record, my last post was a joke. I don't think the US should ban either guns or abortion. I agree that the US tries to pass too many laws that limit people's behavior, or, in other words, they moralize by statute. I get sick of all the "ban this, ban that" talk that rattles through this country. Everyone thinks that they have all the answers and that grand decrees will solve everything. Power is fun, I guess...

[blm03]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Men are held responsible. I pay tens of thousands of dollars in child support, and if I didn't I'd be put in jail. I'm not complaining - indeed, I give more than the court orders - just stating the facts.

Not all men are. I know plenty of single moms who don't get one red cent from their childrens' fathers.

I am glad to hear that you pay yours and then some. Its about the kids not the money.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by blm03

Dustin, no offense, but it is the truth. Please explain to me why insurance companies will cover Viagra but don't cover birth control. Its not being bleak. It is the way things are.

Most states require by law that insurance cover contraceptive pills.

Seeing how you are from IL: http://contraceptives.illinois.gov/

[cldnails]

Ferre you hide behind emotions instead of using your brain. Course, that may be a good idea since I'm sure it's fried from all the legal 'abuse' you can do to your body over there.

That whole abortion debate is a joke for anyone who isn't effected by the I-need-to-control-you-virus that sadly enough has spread troughout the world.

Skirting responsibility does not give anyone the right to end a life. A baby has a heart beat at like 3 weeks...therefore a living human being. Abortion is killing...do you support killing a human that doesn't have the ability to defend itself? I guess in your purple haze world it's ok to kill handicapped people as well.

It's ok, the rest of us will remain responsible while you party.

[NullPointer]

I think in extreme circumstances an abortion is a viable solution. This meaning that if you, the child, or both are going to die it is acceptable. I think that it is beyond us to determine when, exactly, life begins and when something becomes a human, and therefore any arbitrary line we draw as to when something has a right to life is just speculation. I've taken a philosophy class partially devoted to this topic and there is lots of talk about 'ensoulment' and half assed rules such as an abortion is wrong after 'quickening' (when the baby starts to move). I think that if you get pregnant and it is due to your own free will (not rape) then you should have to bear the weight of your own actions. If you want to give the child up for adoption go ahead, but killing something based on the speculation of whether or not it is living or human is wrong.

Does this mean that I think abortion should be illegal? NO, it is my own moral philosphy that abortion is wrong and I do not think that my morality should be imposed upon others. If society is willing to allow you to have an abortion then it is your own decision.

So I guess I'm balancing between pro-choice and pro-life, but not everything is black and white. It's a complex issue and there's my complex answer. Hope no one is offended.

[cldnails]

@ NullPointer, since there is a gray area that we should not put a line at... You'd consider my used condom a baggy full of babies that should have a right to life.

...course, it could be considered that I raped them.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by NullPointer

I think in extreme circumstances an abortion is a viable solution. This meaning that if you, the child, or both are going to die it is acceptable. I think that it is beyond us to determine when, exactly, life begins and when something becomes a human, and therefore any arbitrary line we draw as to when something has a right to life is just speculation. I've taken a philosophy class partially devoted to this topic and there is lots of talk about 'ensoulment' and half assed rules such as an abortion is wrong after 'quickening' (when the baby starts to move).

Got to love philosophy for its proclivity to obfuscate the simple.

Human life is simply and obviously come into existence when the unique organism in created as a result of the sperm fertilizing an egg cell. That is the beginning of human life, simply by definition. That is when a human organism which is alive is created.

[Julie]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Most states require by law that insurance cover contraceptive pills.

Seeing how you are from IL: http://contraceptives.illinois.gov/

I don't use them, so I don't know from personal experience, but I have however heard complaints from numerous women about how their health insurance doesn't cover it.

And a quick search on the web reveals that it isn't a part of many women's insurance plans:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/healt...trol_8-13.html

And here's a recent court ruling that allows to exclude it from health plans:
http://hr.blr.com/news.aspx?id=75627


But, getting back to the topic of this thread... I am very firmly and strongly opposed to abortion.

[NullPointer]

Originally Posted by cldnails

@ NullPointer, since there is a gray area that we should not put a line at... You'd consider my used condom a baggy full of babies that should have a right to life.

...course, it could be considered that I raped them.

Only if you have managed to reproduce asexually. Otherwise I believe it takes two to make a baby.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by cldnails

Ferre you hide behind emotions instead of using your brain. Course, that may be a good idea since I'm sure it's fried from all the legal 'abuse' you can do to your body over there.



Skirting responsibility does not give anyone the right to end a life. A baby has a heart beat at like 3 weeks...therefore a living human being. Abortion is killing...do you support killing a human that doesn't have the ability to defend itself? I guess in your purple haze world it's ok to kill handicapped people as well.

It's ok, the rest of us will remain responsible while you party.

I don't hide my emotions at all. I simply don't give a damn, I wouldn't care less if women have abortions or not, it's none of my business and I do not make it my business either. I think that dropping bombs on children that are alive and well for whatever political reason is something that should concearn people a whole lot more and be a whole lot more emotionally 'disturbed' with than the thought of woman having abortions. If only those same people who are soo disturbed by the thought of abortions, gay marriages and the like would have the same levels of emotional involvement with how we in the west don't give a damn about life in other places and bomb it to pieces whenever our industries dictate us to bomb them this world would be a much better place to live in.

What I see is that most of those 'moral warriors' don't have their priorities straight, to say it politely.