Islam

[Tanya]

Originally Posted by John Scott

So you are saying that Islam is about Kissimmee hotels, gold investing, Discount Universal Studios Tickets, and debt management?

LOL wait john, there are some very educational blah blahness on that site like...in trying to explain the whole Ka'abah worship deal and why it's soooo important to islam, they say that:

The location of the Ka’abah is at the very centre of the Earth.

it could be the fact that i have yet to eat breakfast, but huh?? Is that just a language barrier thing, or has menj yet to believe that the earth is not flat

[Zap]

Originally Posted by John Scott

I do not care to discuss what religions did in the past couple thousand years, because it has no bearing on what Christianity is today.

Surely, the crucifixion of Christ has, at least, some bearing on what Christianity is today? No?

There will always be kooks from every religion, ready to subvert it for their own personal gain.

[ewomack]

What do we really accomplish by arguing which religion has more blood on its hands? You can argue until your tongue rolls out of your mouth that Islam has killed more or that Christianity has killed more. Both, from a historical standpoint, have plenty of blood on their hands. Most religions do, with the possible exception of Buddhism, Jainism, and the recent Bah'ai. The big difference today remains the cultures that the religions exist within and it all comes down to power. Religion, or the absence of it in Mao's case, remains one of the easiest ways to rally people against a common enemy. And we're still at it today. I keep wondering why modern people keep judging and killing each other based on old texts. Our religions badly need updating and revising and new ideas based on a common humanity need to proliferate if we're going to survive this nonsense. Old religion within modern times has so saturated some people's minds that it has become more of a prejudice than a belief.

I think some of us would speak differently about Christianity if the Evangelicals took over the government, which remains one of their goals (see the story of Sister Aimee Semple McPherson who rallied Evangelicals to "take back the state"). But of course Evangelicalism does not represent Christianity, in the same way that radical Islam does not represent Islam.

[John Scott]

Menj,

would you mind explaining how the average Muslim thinks about the Muslim gang rapes of Australian girls? Or the hanging of homosexual kids?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Zap

Surely, the crucifixion of Christ has, at least, some bearing on what Christianity is today? No?

There will always be kooks from every religion, ready to subvert it for their own personal gain.

Who was discussing that?

[Zap]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Who was discussing that?

According to your criteria, it's off the table for discussion and has no bearing on what Christianity is today because it happened a couple of centuries ago.
History doesn't get erased.
Trying to restrict debate about religious atrocities to this century is to forget about all those who were murdered before January 1st, 2001. It's unfair to them.

Why would you even bother to bring up the USSR, then? It broke up in 1991.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by ewomack

I think some of us would speak differently about Christianity if the Evangelicals took over the government, which remains one of their goals (see the story of Sister Aimee Semple McPherson who rallied Evangelicals to "take back the state"). But of course Evangelicalism does not represent Christianity, in the same way that radical Islam does not represent Islam.

That is where you are wrong. A very limited number of Christians believe that violence and intolerance are acceptable, and these people are shunned by the majority of Christians and have no influence.

Muslim extremists, on the other hand, appear to be in charge. They run the government in Iran; they wield a very powerful influence, and appear to have the support of the majority of Muslims.

See that difference, or are ya blind?

[Tanya]

Yo Muslim Mama’s so ugly the Florida DMV asked her to keep on her veil

I'm sorry, rofl but does anyone else find these funny ? I'm not a racist, but i love these jokes LOL

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Zap

According to your criteria, it's off the table for discussion and has no bearing on what Christianity is today because it happened a couple of centuries ago.

It has no bearing on the politics of Christianity. It may as well have never happened, for the purposes of modern Christian politics. If you cannot see the difference between Christ the man, and Christianity the social club, then you are really out of touch with and do not understand modern Christianity.

And that is precisely what we are discussing - modern Christianity.

History doesn't get erased.
Trying to restrict debate about religious atrocities to this century is to forget about all those who were murdered before January 1st, 2001. It's unfair to them.

Let's see if you can understand a simple concept. Modern Christianity is different than ancient Christianity. Ancient Christianity believed in a lot of different morals than we do now. So when we discuss modern Christianity, it is a fallacy to credit modern Christianity with acts and beliefs of ancient Christianity.

Is that a concept you can understand, or should I have my 9 year old explain it to you?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Tanya

I'm sorry, rofl but does anyone else find these funny ? I'm not a racist, but i love these jokes LOL

They cracked me up.

[apol_seban]

I think Islam is not aggressive.
It is those people who use the word Islam for their aggressive acts are in fact aggressive!

[joecacia]

Originally Posted by apol_seban

I think Islam is not aggressive.
It is those people who use the word Islam for their aggressive acts are in fact aggressive!

So true, I have so many Muslim friends and they are totally against all what is going on lately in the world.

I believe a sick person, what ever his religion is, will make what ever he wants and say it is written. It is my own opinion.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Is that a concept you can understand, or should I have my 9 year old explain it to you?

So, the whole bible has no bearing on what Christianity is today? Nothing to do with it?

I think you should have your 9 year old explain it to you. Just go easy on him when he does.

[Tanya]

Originally Posted by apol_seban

I think Islam is not aggressive.
It is those people who use the word Islam for their aggressive acts are in fact aggressive!

Excuse me, I've heard friday prayres that muslims go to, and a 'muslim' person i know translated what the guy with the big beard was saying, and it was something like "rid us of 'all' jews, may the ground crack up and suck them into it" or some blhaness like that...when you look around at who is attending these friday prayrs, people of all ages, women and children, 4year olds with their fathers and mothers, (woman and men are separated, i think it's to keep the men from not staring at a womans ass while she bends over to pray) but yeah, teaching their young ones such stuff is agressive if you ask me, very ****ing agressive.

Yo Muslim Mama so fat, she’s wearing a veil of flesh.

ROFL

[littleFella]

Originally Posted by John Scott

See post #12. Please read the thread before responding.

I did. But I can't read other posts while responding to one of them. I also lack the psychic powers to know someone wrote something while I wasn't looking.

Besides, you use the terms "modern Christianity" and then give limit it to the last "10 years or so". WW2 falls well within the time frame of Modern Christianity limitations because Modern Christianity preceded WW2. Actually, the time of WW2 can be comfortably placed within post-modern Christianity.

Originally Posted by John Scott

I do not care to discuss what religions did in the past couple thousand years, because it has no bearing on what Christianity is today.

Not sure that it doesn't. Today's Christianity didn't just spring out to being in an instant. Or 10 years ago. It's been a long process. 2000 years. To say that process has no bearing on what Christianity is today is a little haphazard.

Originally Posted by John Scott

Why do you not wish to discuss modern Christianity? Not enough bloodthirsty Christians beheading and raping children for you?

Some are working on it. Plenty of various religious freaks in the US.

Originally Posted by John Scott

Does the lack of thousands of murders in the name of Christianity today spoil your argument that Christians are just as bloodthirsty as Muslims?

I had no argument other than your "body count" statement is failed. And I don't see why we should not go beyond the last 10 years. Such border lines are questionable to me. Heck, statutes of limitations for some crimes are longer than that.

To you WW2 may be distant in time and space. To me it is not. In my view, as long as there are still people alive who experienced something then that experience is very much modern history.