Islam

[Zap]

You guys are joking.

[John Scott]

Golf - social networking.

Church - social networking.

It's not rocket science.

[Zap]

Of course it's all about social networking! It's a religion! People are followers.
All based upon the bible. (You might even say it's the foundation)

[Tanya]

Originally Posted by joecacia

Not all of them, you cannot talk about every one you know.

There is people like that and there is other wise. It is all about "Chiha" and "Sunni", people are people every were and sometimes leaders are aggressive and make their followers believe it is the right thing, don't we all follow what our leaders say?

Carla, everytime muslims pray outside their houses in groups (gama3'a) or when fridays come, and they pray then, it's a known fact that EVERY (shekh) head religiouse guy who everyone follows while everyone is praying says things like "damn all the jews and americans", even about their children, it will be SOOO easy for me to get you an arabic recording of this, and you could go ahead and translate it if you need proof, or do some research on google to have it proven to you.

I wasnt even saying every single muslim is like that, i'm saying that the general religion of islam, is an agressive one

[littleFella]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Is that concept really so hard to understand? I can't, for the life of me, understand why you cannot grasp it.

Oh, I'm grasping what you are saying. But I disagree with the 10 year limit for the purpose of this thread. It suggests that whatever happened more than 10 years ago is irrelevant? has no bearing on on today's events? That same 10 year limitations doesn't allow to go back to the time before 1967 when mildly pro-american sentiments in the arab/muslim world went upside down.

I am all for cut off dates for the purpose of creating and maintaining peace, love among nations and all that shit, but I honestly don't believe in that same cut-off date for the purpose of debating about current events, their roots, or for comparative purposes.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Zap

Of course it's all about social networking! It's a religion! People are followers.
All based upon the bible.

Followers? Who is a follower? And what is based upon the Bible? Have you ever read the Bible? Or are you just smoking crack?

Seriously, you think the Church and modern Christianity is based on the Bible? I think you are just saying that to be a pesky troll. You cannot be that ****ing stupid. No matter what other forum admins say about your lack of character, you cannot be that ****ing stupid.

You seriously think that the Bible's position on divorce would fly in modern Chritianity? Or the Bible's stance on homosexuals? If modern modern churches enforced and taught the Bible as it was written, who would ever go to church?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by littleFella

Oh, I'm grasping what you are saying. But I disagree with the 10 year limit for the purpose of this thread. It suggests that whatever happened more than 10 years ago is irrelevant? has no bearing on on today's events? That same 10 year limitations doesn't allow to go back to the time before 1967 when mildly pro-american sentiments in the arab/muslim world went upside down.

I am all for cut off dates for the purpose of creating and maintaining peace, love among nations and all that shit, but I honestly don't believe in that same cut-off date for the purpose of debating about current events, their roots, or for comparative purposes.

Hmm. Let's try this one last time:

Littlefella, if modern Christianity is doing something, then they are doing it more often than once every 10 years. If they are not doing it within ten years, then it should hardly be considered representative of the current state of Christianity.

We are talking about the current state of religions, not past states.

[joecacia]

Originally Posted by Tanya

Carla, everytime muslims pray outside their houses in groups (gama3'a) or when fridays come, and they pray then, it's a known fact that EVERY (shekh) head religiouse guy who everyone follows while everyone is praying says things like "damn all the jews and americans", even about their children, it will be SOOO easy for me to get you an arabic recording of this, and you could go ahead and translate it if you need proof, or do some research on google to have it proven to you.

I wasnt even saying every single muslim is like that, i'm saying that the general religion of islam, is an agressive one

I know what you mean, we was living the same in Lebanon, I am not that far of what I lived, but not all, this is what I am saying, there is sick people in the whole world.

Hezbollah in Lebanon now is the living proof of what you are saying, I am so scared of going to Lebanon because of them being leaders now.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Followers? Who is a follower? And what is based upon the Bible? Have you ever read the Bible? Or are you just smoking crack?

Seriously, you think the Church and modern Christianity is based on the Bible? I think you are just saying that to be a pesky troll. You cannot be that ****ing stupid. No matter what other forum admins say about your lack of character, you cannot be that ****ing stupid.

You seriously think that the Bible's position on divorce would fly in modern Chritianity? Or the Bible's stance on homosexuals? If modern modern churches enforced and taught the Bible as it was written, who would ever go to church?

There you go with the personal attacks again, in the absense of logic.

If you really believe that the Bible's position on homosexuality isn't taught or enforced in modern christianity, it shows just how out-of-touch with reality you really are. Tell that to the American homosexuals that want to get married but can't because the biblical definition of marriage doesn't include them.

You say muslims seem to be the only ones in power because the Iranian government is run by them. Have you totally forgotten that your own president talks to God? Do you think that christianity doesn't have a stranglehold on American politics? Who does everyone down there pledge allegiance to? One nation, under who?

By your own logic, the 9-11 attacks will cease to be relevant in about 5-10 years. We'll see if that really holds up. I say no way.

If you want to continue to attempt to discredit logical statements with personal attacks, count me out. I can't say I'm surprised that you resorted to it, though.

...and, yes, John. I've read the bible. Have you?

[menj]

Originally Posted by John Scott

So you are saying that Islam is about Kissimmee hotels, gold investing, Discount Universal Studios Tickets, and debt management?

LOL, those are paid posts. They are filed under "Advertisements", John

- MENJ

[menj]

Originally Posted by Tanya

it could be the fact that i have yet to eat breakfast, but huh?? Is that just a language barrier thing, or has menj yet to believe that the earth is not flat

I wonder why are you so quick to jump to the assumption that just because the Ka'abah is located geographically at the centre of the world (and I have maps to prove that), it therefore follows that I believe that the world is flat?

- MENJ

[menj]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Menj,

would you mind explaining how the average Muslim thinks about the Muslim gang rapes of Australian girls? Or the hanging of homosexual kids?

As I understand it, the Sydney gang rapes were condemned by the Muslim community in Australia. As for the "hanging of homosexual kids", I don't see Iran as a prime representation of my faith, so what they do or do not do is meaningless to me.

Plus, the blog post is totally wrong in claiming that in Shariah homosexuals are punished by the death penalty. There is no basis for claiming such a ludicrous thing.

- MENJ

[littleFella]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Hmm. Let's try this one last time:
We are talking about the current state of religions, not past states.

"current" wasn't the word you used in the original post I responded to. But if you want 10 years, here's the 10 years for you. To my knowledge the situtaion hasn't changed since.

That shows two things:
- I'm not alone in considering WW2 as current enough as it reflects on todays attitudes.
- While the RC doesn't appear to be killing or to want to kill in the name of God, they still seem to have issues with a not so distant past.

Oh, and some other Christian denominations are not distancing themselves from the use of force to defend the almighty. They're just to weak to do what they might want to do.

Of course, none of the above defeats your "body count" if you consider only the last 10 years. But again, current events did not just spring out to being in a historic vacuum, and there are thousands, if not millions who wake up from nightmares embedded in their memories of 60 years ago. That, to me, makes WW2 current.

[John Scott]

Have you totally forgotten that your own president talks to God? Do you think that christianity doesn't have a stranglehold on American politics?

Zap, seriously, when was the last time you saw Bush order the execution of a man for being homosexual? When did Bush ban divorce? When did Bush put people in boiling water for engaging in extra-marital sex?

...and, yes, John. I've read the bible. Have you?

I have read it cover to cover, and studied it in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew, and took a two year course from the Moody Bible Institute.

By your own logic, the 9-11 attacks will cease to be relevant in about 5-10 years.

Only is Muslims stop that kind of activity.

If you really believe that the Bible's position on homosexuality isn't taught or enforced in modern christianity, it shows just how out-of-touch with reality you really are.

Last time I went to church in the US, over half the couple there were not married and shacking up (which, if you ever read the Bible, is against the rules). There was a gay staff member, and the pastor had couselled one couple (a relative of mine) to divorce.

Based on the Bible? Yeah, keep blabbering.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by littleFella

"current" wasn't the word you used in the original post I responded to. But if you want 10 years, here's the 10 years for you. To my knowledge the situtaion hasn't changed since.

That shows two things:
- I'm not alone in considering WW2 as current enough as it reflects on todays attitudes.
- While the RC doesn't appear to be killing or to want to kill in the name of God, they still seem to have issues with a not so distant past.

Oh, and some other Christian denominations are not distancing themselves from the use of force to defend the almighty. They're just to weak to do what they might want to do.

Of course, none of the above defeats your "body count" if you consider only the last 10 years. But again, current events did not just spring out to being in a historic vacuum, and there are thousands, if not millions who wake up from nightmares embedded in their memories of 60 years ago. That, to me, makes WW2 current.

I read your entire post, but I do not see where Christians have been massacring people within the past ten years. Please repost, highlighting that area.

[littleFella]

We're moving in circles.
I'll pass.