Islam

[John Scott]

http://www.fatwa-watch.com/?p=5

Loved the image there. ("Behead those who say Islam is violent")

[Dotster]

I think that Islam very aggresive nowdays.

[jani]

No Dotster, Islam is not agressive, actually some bad people are presenting islam in a very wrong way.

Islam is the religion of PEACE & LOVE and in todays world everyone has accepted this fact.

[John Scott]

The Five Pillars of Neo-Islam

Eat when you’re hungry. Don’t eat when you are nervous, angry, plotting to kill infidels, insecure, envisioning your own violent and sudden death, or because the sun is down, it’s Ramadan and everyone else is a veritable vision of gluttony.

Funny stuff.

[Tanya]

John that site is nasty lol
It's so sad i found this Yo Muslim Mama joke funny

Yo Muslim Mama’s so greasy Goerge Bush invaded her panties for oil.

[John Scott]

LOL!

[Ferre]

For me, there's not much difference between muslim extremists or christian extremists. <-- Those Abrahamic scriptures clearly cause braindamage.

One thing I have to give the Chinese government credits for; They made it illegal to print or spread the Abrahamic scriptures because those scriptures advocate hate, racism, violence, intolerance and genocide. More countries should do that.

Many people don't realize that the muslim, Jewish and christian faith are all based upon the same scriptures, in fact they all worship the same religion and the same god, only with minor differences in interpretation. For me, that religion is a pest for this world, history proved, and still proves it today.

[John Scott]

One thing I have to give the Chinese government credits for; They made it illegal to print or spread the Abrahamic scriptures because those scriptures advocate hate, racism, violence, intolerance and genocide. More countries should do that.

LOL. Your intorelance of religion which applauds the Chinese government's murder of the religious folks, how is that intolerance better than Muslim or Christian intolerance? How is your hatred and bigotry and murder better than religious hatred and bigotry and murder?

And your insistence that Christians are just as violent as Muslims is not supported by the facts - the body count just isn't there.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

LOL. Your intorelance of religion which applauds the Chinese government's murder of the religious folks, how is that intolerance better than Muslim or Christian intolerance? How is your hatred and bigotry and murder better than religious hatred and bigotry and murder?

And your insistence that Christians are just as violent as Muslims is not supported by the facts - the body count just isn't there.

I do not applaud the murder of religious folks John, again you put words in someone's mouth they did not speak out at all. Really, you got to adjust your debate technique a little John, by insinuating that people agree with murder only because they find the Abrahamic scriptures to advocate hatred, racism and genocide is totally irrelevant and not true.

To say that the Abrahamic scriptures are advocating hatrede, racism, intolerance and genocide is a fact, if you don't know that you did not read them, when you want to accuse someone of bigotry, accuse those who wrote the scriptures, they are the roots of the worst bigotry on earth.

Again, I do not aplaud the murder of any person by governments for any reason, but I do understand that the Chinese government prohibits the spreading of hate advocating scriptures, afterall, "Mein Kampf" is forbidden in many western countries for the same reasons. For me, there's not much difference between one book that promotes racism or another book that does the same.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

And your insistence that Christians are just as violent as Muslims is not supported by the facts - the body count just isn't there.

Again you are wrong, me thinks you are not aware of the 400 years inquisition in Europe, or what happened with the Mayas and Incas in the Americas. Islam can never catch that up.

[John Scott]

So you are against freedom of speech?

And, you are for government action that prohibits religious activity, knowing full well that when a government prohibits something, and people do it anyway, there are often horrific punishments?

Please enlighten me. How is your anti-religious bigotry any different from the anti-religious bigotry of the former USSR, which saw thousands of Christians murdered by the government, or the religious bigotry of Iran, which kills for perceived insults to "Allah"?

I do not see any difference. Do you?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Again you are wrong, me thinks you are not aware of the 400 years inquisition in Europe, or what happened with the Mayas and Incas in the Americas. Islam can never catch that up.

I was of course talking modern Christianity.

When you attack Christianity, are you referring to modern Christianity of Christianity practiced centuries ago?

You do understand the difference, no? You do after all read the papers, watch the news, no?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

So you are against freedom of speech?

And, you are for government action that prohibits religious activity, knowing full well that when a government prohibits something, and people do it anyway, there are often horrific punishments?

Please enlighten me. How is your anti-religious bigotry any different from the anti-religious bigotry of the former USSR, which saw thousands of Christians murdered by the government, or the religious bigotry of Iran, which kills for perceived insults to "Allah"?

I do not see any difference. Do you?

It's indeed a difficult question/problem. At one hand I am all for freedom of speech and I do not think that governments have the jurisdiction to prohibit religions, at the other hand governments have the duty to protect the overall safety and health of their citizens.

I do not believe that percecuting people for their religion is a good thing, but I do believe that persecuting people for advocating racism and genocide is allowed, please don't get me wrong, I do not believe those people should be harmed in any physical way, but I do think that huge fines or a couple of months prison is an appropiate sentence for advocating racism and genocide.

When it happens to be a religion that advocates racism and genocide, the followers of that religion should be more aware of what their religion actually demands from them. Maybe they become a little more aware of what their religion really is about when they are confronted with the fact that they are promoting hatred, disguised as something that is supposed to be good for someone's spiritual health.

[Tanya]

Islamic and Christian extremists usually are on opposite sides in a struggle of good over evil, at least that's how they see it right? I mean you have these groups with one thing on their mindes, it's an us-against-them mentality.
When really 'all' extremists, are pretty much on the same page.

I don't want to go into what John and Ferre have dug themselves into, because I don't think i know all there is to know about each religion to talk facts and so on, but it's simple when you think about it.

All extremists of any religion, in my soul opinion are in the wrong. I think they all fear the modern age, and what comes with that. It's like, you're either with us or against us, you're not allowed to have your own beliefs, because that scares the shit out of us.

just my 2cents on the subject =\

[menj]

I think there is much misinformation about Islam, that is why I had developed this blog:

http://www.noorullah.org

This should answer the queries and claims posed to Islam and Muslims.

- MENJ

[littleFella]

Originally Posted by John Scott

And your insistence that Christians are just as violent as Muslims is not supported by the facts - the body count just isn't there.

do you speak any German?

This is a belt clip is from WW2. A few millions of Nazi troops wore those. Thye wore similar ones during WW1.





It doesn't mean the same as arabic Allahu Akbar, but the underlying meanings of the two are not very distant.

A few centuries before that, they used more graphical expressions of their faith:



They were called Teutonic knights. I wonder if anybody on this board knows why they had to be fought in one of Europe's greatest battles and effectively dismantled, or why later in history, they called themselves Prussians.

The above are just two examples (there are many more) of just one nation's love of Jesus Christ. There are more nations who killed with the same name/symbols on their banners over the period of 1000 years or so. That included the killing and/or expulsions of very advanced and peacefull Muslim society in Spain by backward Christians. That was kinda like second wave of Vandals destroying whatever treasures of human thought, science and history Muslims saved from blind, uneducated and hateful Christians.

All in all, just in the Old World we had some 15 crusades whose nature was exactly that of militant jihad. Everybody knows about witch hunts, I guess. Those happened in the US too.

As for the numbers... I dunno. Got any stats comparing the atrocities committed in the name of two?

[John Scott]

Littlefella, got any links to CNN showing thousands murdered in the name of Christianity within the last 10 years or so?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by menj