Racial Tensions in Australia

[ricomhc]

http://www.injustice-files.com/sydney-gang-rapes/

My first article for Injustice Files

[Ferre]

And where is the "Injustice"?

Of cource every crime is injustice towards the victim, but that's not what the 'injustice' site is about now is it? All I see is another article on how bad and mean the muslims in Australia are behaving. All I see is another hate propaganda article against muslims. Not that those Australian gangs shouldn't be dealt with, but that article reads like just another "let's-highlight-all-the-bad-things-muslims-do-and-demonize-the-whole-muslim-community" article.

I hope you will improve when you are going to write more for that site.

[ricomhc]

Well, the discussion has begun... that's good.

I see how the article can read as you say it does. Being only about the Sydney Gang Rapes and not actually about the entire racial tension issue. But, in the end, this thread, if responded to, will probably go beyond just this particular case.

The article itself is merely an account of the events as they have been reported, mostly by The Sydney Morning Herald. No extra editorial liberties were taken to, for example, site other instances were racism towards the Muslim community in Australia occured and helped elevate the level of racial tension experienced in the country, and especially Sydney, these days.

It was not my intention to vilify the entire Muslim community in Australia, but you have to ask yourself, what in you, makes you think that that was the first intention of the article. Sure, ever since the September 11th attacks people from the middle east have all been painted with the same colour by many different media outlets, so I guess one would get used to expect that.

So yeah, the article only talks about the Sydney Gang Rapes, where very conservative Muslims were the criminals and had pretty much no excuse for what they did. Not even that racism experienced in the past drove them to commit those crimes, no, not in this case. But, racism in Australia is a current issue that is going both ways. So you've read the article on this particular case, the name of the thread is Racial Tensions in Australia. What is your take on that? What about the Cronulla Race Riots?

[Ferre]

Last week I was watching a video on youtube or google video where that whole australian issue was explained in a much more detailed manner than we have received from the mainstream press.

That some cities in Australia have a problem with radicalizing gangs with members of muslim origin who use their religion and heritage to make themself feel superior to their victims is beyond any doubt. That the Australian government has to find a solution to deal with those radicalizing groups is also beyond any doubt.

Point is that I fail to see what this article should do on the "injustice" website. I fail to see how it complies to the intent of the site.

[thePro]

wow who owns injustice files?

i didnt know v7n ran sites other than affiliate marketing

[John Scott]

We own dozens of sites.

[ricomhc]

Okay, so maybe the "injustice" isn't as evident as you would expect form an entry in a blog titled injustice-files.com. Perhaps the article here takes some liberties with the word injustice, but injustice there is. Injsutice doens't always mean oppression by a body of authority on a small group of individuals. The boys thought they were perhaps punishing the victims for what they perceived as indicency. They obviously resented Australians of Western descent as implied by the quotes provided by the victims and perhaps their attacks, in their view, were an amount of payback. Maybe they thought they were exercising justice. Would misplaced justice be injustice? In this case the victims would certainly think so.

That is not all though, there is also the injustice on people like Iman Eid who have to bear the stigma generated by a few members of the community they belong to and with whom they may not share in political or even religious views. I think that is an not just.

Maybe the article seemed to concentrate too much on the rapes and not the aftermath as it would be felt by Ms. Eid, but afterall a summary of rapes as the original topic. Did I know it would seemed biased against islam? Perhaps, but this wasn't just a case of Muslims commiting a crime and then taking extra heat just for being Muslim. Religious belief and racism happend to be important factors.

Weaksauce?

So, if we can get over that, do you have a link for that YouTube video?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

And where is the "Injustice"?

Of cource every crime is injustice towards the victim, but that's not what the 'injustice' site is about now is it? All I see is another article on how bad and mean the muslims in Australia are behaving. All I see is another hate propaganda article against muslims. Not that those Australian gangs shouldn't be dealt with, but that article reads like just another "let's-highlight-all-the-bad-things-muslims-do-and-demonize-the-whole-muslim-community" article.

I hope you will improve when you are going to write more for that site.

The injustice is what happened to the girls, and the fact that it is condoned by Muslim leaders, and swept under the carpet by politically correct folks who think that any criticism of Islam is racist is bigotry. My position is put forward by my staff, and that position is that I don't give a flying fook what religion you belong to, if you go raping people, you are scum and no religion in the world is going to change that.

I understand that many people want to defend Islamic rapists and sweep it under the carpet in order to protect the name of Islam, and be politically correct, and that is exactly why we are publishing the articles we are publishing.

[Ferre]

This is the video I have seen;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSjLqTRYL80

It's an eye opener, at least for me it was.

[robert s.]

honestly, i dont understand how one can even discuss about this!
if somebody, no matter if muslim, christian, buddhist, atheist or whatever-ist, rapes a woman, he should be arrested, his dick cut off and the key should be thrown away. this has NOTHING to do with any kind of racism or religion!!

[ricomhc]

Originally Posted by robert s.

honestly, i dont understand how one can even discuss about this!
if somebody, no matter if muslim, christian, buddhist, atheist or whatever-ist, rapes a woman, he should be arrested, his dick cut off and the key should be thrown away. this has NOTHING to do with any kind of racism or religion!!

That is sort of the point John was trying to make. Not that this had nothing to do with religion but that people were trying to sweep it under the rug for fear of being politically incorrect. On the other side; however, you have those who used this as an example of the 'evil that is embodied by the Muslim community' to further vilify them as a whole.

So you are right to say that on the ground level this shouldn't have anything to do with religion or politics. I don't think anyone is trying to argue that, but if you knew what the current racial climate in Sydney is like you'd understand why this case had a major impact on the city, and country, with respect to racial relations. There was a huge religious and racial fallout which resulted in more victims; those being other Muslims, who innocent of any crime were being further vilified and condemned for crimes they didn't commit and a way of thinking they didn't share. You also had the victims of the rapes themselves who on top of having to endure the trial process of this very traumatic event in their lives, became pawns in this religious-political game with parties from different sides trying to push their own agendas.

Remeber the title of the thread. The article is just a jumping platform for a topic that involves many other different yet connected events. This was a high profile case were religion and race were part of the motive, if not at least integral in the selection of the victims. You are right to say religion and politics should go out the window when it is time to dispense justice, but the fact of the matter is that this was an event that had a lot of impact with respect to the current political climate at a time when race relations were and still are an important issue to many people in Australia.

No one is here to discuss the severity of the crime based on religious or political concessions, if that is what you thought the point of the thread was then you got it all wrong. But, when it comes to the handling of it by the media and the fallout that it had on the rest of the population, there is a fair bit to discuss.

[Ferre]

I agree, when I viewed that video it opened my eyes for how the media had mislead their audience. I had seen some media coverage of the incidents and it was brought as if parts of the Australian people suddenly became racists and beat up foreigners.

That video shows the other side of the story, it shows that it wasn't aimed against those guys because of their religion, but because they are gangs of criminals and rapists. (who use religion as a frame and even justification to commit their crimes.)

The media didn't show that at all.