President of the US of A, the Poll

[navyfalcon]

what do you think the major problems are and what do you think our priorities ahould be ???

What do you think the candidates would choose if elected ??

What do you predict for the next four years if this candidate or that is elected ?

Don't forget both parties - the president can change the parties priorities and bypass congress with executive orders

What do you really think - politicians have a habit of saying one thing and doing another

What would you do and why ??

falcon

[Brian]

Originally Posted by navyfalcon

We can determine (were smart enough) what is correct for us !!

I thought I was the only one allowed to post jokes in this forum

[zibblu]

I'm not sure about Ferre's #s but I did find this "There were more than 700,000 marijuana arrest in the United States in 1997. (1) This was the largest number in U.S. history. Of these arrests, 87% were for possession rather than sale or manufacture."

That's insane on so many levels. The wasted money & the wasted resources for starters. And how about all of the families who lose a loved one to jail for doing nothing but having marijuana? I just don't understand how people can think that's OK. How does someone smoking marijuana in the privacy of their own home negatively effect the rest of the society to the point that that person should be in jail?

[zibblu]

And Falcon - I personally find 700,000 people being arrested for something I firmly should be legal to be a FAR greater problem than "terrorists." Who are the real terrorists anyway? Who is more likely to terrorize me? It looks to me to be my own government.

[navyfalcon]

Originally Posted by zibblu

I'm not sure about Ferre's #s but I did find this "There were more than 700,000 marijuana arrest in the United States in 1997. (1) This was the largest number in U.S. history. Of these arrests, 87% were for possession rather than sale or manufacture."

That's insane on so many levels. The wasted money & the wasted resources for starters. And how about all of the families who lose a loved one to jail for doing nothing but having marijuana? I just don't understand how people can think that's OK. How does someone smoking marijuana in the privacy of their own home negatively effect the rest of the society to the point that that person should be in jail?

I doubt 700,000 persons were arrested for smoking marijuana in their own homes, maybe for driving DUI or something similar.
falcon

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by navyfalcon

I doubt 700,000 persons were arrested for smoking marijuana in their own homes, maybe for driving DUI or something similar.
falcon

Not for DUI or anything else. 87% for possesion. partly because of the snitch policies, people get a plea bargain when they snitch on other people, what happens in many cases is that one guy gets arrested for possesion, he can then choose between going to jail for 3 years, or give thye names of a couple of other people and do "only" one year. the guy then gives a couple of names and those people get their homes raided.

This happens every single day and it doesn't stop with taking those people to jail, in most occasions their homes and possesions are confiscated and their children are send to "caretakers".

I kid you not.

[navyfalcon]

How did the first person get caught ?? DUI
falcon

[navyfalcon]

Where do you get your information - from local police records ?? I doubt it
or from newspapers, from radio, from TV, or from the internet ??
what reliability or credibility is it ??
700,000 from homes - this is unbelievable
I live in the US and in our area it is mostly from complaints - or from DUI - or other sources - very few from raids on homes without cause
State your source and credibility
falcon

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by navyfalcon

Where do you get your information - from local police records ?? I doubt it
or from newspapers, from radio, from TV, or from the internet ??
what reliability or credibility is it ??
700,000 from homes - this is unbelievable
I live in the US and in our area it is mostly from complaints - or from DUI - or other sources - very few from raids on homes without cause
State your source and credibility
falcon

The official statistics say 87% of those 700.000 are for possession

Read my lips: P-O-S-S-E-S-S-I-O-N.

This is not DUI or any other reason, if it was the official statistics would say so because in the links I provide below you can find pdf files with the arrest statistics for dealing, DUI, growing, etc.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/enforce.htm <-- Government website states: "More than four-fifths of drug law violation arrests are for possession" <-- P-O-S-S-E-S-S-I-O-N

As the chairman of the Dutch Legalize organisation I have many connections and talk to numerous people everywhere on earth who are working with these issues due to their profession every day, you could start to do some of your own research on this subject and I'll give you some leads;

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php
http://www.november.org/
http://www.drugpolicy.org/
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4413

America has more people in prisons per capita than any other country on earth and the huge majority is for P-O-S-S-E-S-S-I-O-N

Here's another quote;

http://skeptically.org/recdrugs/id8.html

Of those charged with marijuana violations, 88.6 percent - some 641,108 Americans - were charged with possession only. The remaining 82,518 individuals were charged with "sale/manufacture," a category that includes all cultivation offenses - even those where the marijuana was being grown for personal or medical use.

If you want to know some facts (not myths and lies the US government is feeding the world) read scientific facts about Cannabis on the BBC website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/cannabis/

[navyfalcon]

I obtained some information from a reliable source on marijuana - how about the "Mayoclinic"
"the potential of long-term adverse side effects"
"possesses several health risks"
thats why they advise against its use for medical reasons - they have better more effective drugs with less risk of adverse side effects
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/medical-marijuana/
They (the MayoClinic) have and are continuing to do scientific research on the effects of marijuana. I believe them (they don't have a political agenda)
falcon

[navyfalcon]

you could start to do some of your own research on this subject and I'll give you some leads;

I have - local police station - possession obtained from other causes NOT from home use !! sorry try talking to the officers. Oh, I forgot, your not here - WHAT is your agenda ?? Amsterdam already allows its use - why are you worried about the US ??
falcon

[Ferre]

You might want to read this. Or this

Reason why I am concearned about how the USA goes about Cannabis is the simple fact that they dictate drug policy for the whole world, I guess you under-estimate the influence the USA has on the rest of the world, the USA drug war reaches far beyond their own borders, sadly enough.

And I have a question for you, why is it that even when people show you the statistics from your own government you still don't believe the official statistics but prefer on your "local police station"?

You ask for facts, I give you facts taken from the USA government website with referal links so you can see for yourself but you choose to stay ignorant and keep telling me that your local police station knows better, sorry but that's just way too absurd for me to talk any further with you. You just don't want to know the truth.

[Thanol]

I was about to vote, but there was no option for Kucinich. Everyone forgets poor wacky Kucinich.

[krahmaan]

I think that Ron Paul just may be more politically correct that many may come to believe. He not only wants to endorse the pulling out of our US troops, but he’s also proposes this not as a retreat form the war on terrorism. He proposes this only to bring back the vital resources to the country.

I like that he has a strong belief in the old democracy –that the true power of the government should lie within its people. Now that spells guts! Maybe not needing to be politically correct, eh?

[Ferre]

I think you missed my sarcasm. If I was American Ron Paul would be my choice. he is the only one on that list who is not corrupted by the industries, he is honest and cares about constitutional rights, something that can't be said about the rest of the contestants.

[zibblu]

Originally Posted by Thanol

I was about to vote, but there was no option for Kucinich. Everyone forgets poor wacky Kucinich.

rock on. Dennis is great. I really think if people could get over the whole high school popularity contest type thing that people seem to base who they support for president on... if people could forget that nonsense and actually base who they support on where the candidates actually stand on the issues... then Kucinich would be doing a *lot* better in the polls. He's the only candidate who is for a true universal single payer health care program. He's one of the few candidates who has been against the war in Iraq from the start and who has consistently voted against the war. (Mike Gravel & Ron Paul also deserve mention for being 100% against the Iraq war from the start and consistently since then.)

[navyfalcon]

Originally Posted by Ferre

You might want to read this. Or this

Reason why I am concearned about how the USA goes about Cannabis is the simple fact that they dictate drug policy for the whole world, I guess you under-estimate the influence the USA has on the rest of the world, the USA drug war reaches far beyond their own borders, sadly enough.

And I have a question for you, why is it that even when people show you the statistics from your own government you still don't believe the official statistics but prefer on your "local police station"?

You ask for facts, I give you facts taken from the USA government website with referal links so you can see for yourself but you choose to stay ignorant and keep telling me that your local police station knows better, sorry but that's just way too absurd for me to talk any further with you. You just don't want to know the truth.

There is no way the US controls the permissive drug policies of Amsterdam
Show proof
falcon