marijuana can cause psychosis. Agree?

[ryukenden]

Smoking can increase the risk of lung cancer but it depending on person's suspectibility. Some people smokes 20-30 years without any problem. Same as for cannabis.

Cannabis increasing risk of developing schizophrenia about 4 times is in the textbooks of psychiatry. Believe it or not is up to you. I am not saying people who smoke cannabis will develop schizophrenia but I am only making point of increased risk.

[Brian]

I became more schizophrenic from reading this post than any of the multiple daily sessions I've had in my life.

[SVB]

I don't believe in psychosis.

[ryukenden]

Originally Posted by SVB

I don't believe in psychosis.

Why? So obviously you haven't seen the psychotic patients.

[Brian]

I don't believe in patients.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by ryukenden

Cannabis increasing risk of developing schizophrenia about 4 times is in the textbooks of psychiatry.

I don't know which 'textbook' you have seen, but that statement holds no scientifical grounds whatsoever. Cannabis is probably bad for a subset of young people who have a predisposition to schizophrenia. One percent of the population develops schizophrenia, and it has been estimated that maybe 10% of that one percent would be harmed by cannabis consumption.

That's by far not "increasing risk of developing schizophrenia about 4 times" and that's is highly exaggerated, as is most of the anti-cannabis-scare-the-hell-out-of-the-public-propaganda that tells you similar fairy tales in order to keep the general public supporting prohibition.

Originally Posted by ryukenden

Believe it or not is up to you. I am not saying people who smoke cannabis will develop schizophrenia but I am only making point of increased risk.

It's not a question of 'believe', science has proven that the risk is a lot less than people 'believe' it is, the only reason for such 'beliefs' is plain anti-cannabis propaganda which is dumped onto the population all the time by government institutions.

Of course there is 'some' risk, but that risk is actually not enough to justify the harsh laws and certainly not enough to justify the harsh sentences.

The "war on Cannabis" is actually an extention of the Inquisition, it's a plain oldfashion witch hunt. Only those who follow the Abrahamic teachings persecute the Sacred plants from other religions/cultures. Hindus, Pagans, Shamans, Buddhists and many other religions consider Cannabis to be a Sacred plant and it is used in Religious rituals since thousands of years, the only reason why it's prohibited is because of the efforts from the RCC and other Abrahamic scripture sects to whipe out all the other cultures, and if they can't murder them all anymore because of modern day social restrictions they hunt them down for the use of their sacraments.

Nothing has ever changed since the inquisition for those who have other-than-Abrahamic beliefs, we are still hunted down like witches for our beliefs and our sacred plants are made illegal to be used as a tool to keep us from getting jobs, as a tool to steal our possesions and even as a tool to take our children away from us.

And ryukenden, this damages a lot more people than just 10% out of 1% of the population that develops schizophrenia anyway, with or without it. In the USA alone they ruin the lives of 700.000 people every year because of simple possesion of a sacred plant. They jail them, take their homes and steal their children to be brainwashed into sumbmission in state foster homes.

[Ferre]

Read this here:
http://www.prntrkmt.org/articles/articles.html

The Witch Hunt against cannabis is an actual literal Witch Hunt, even though many people think the term is mere metaphor.

Growing, processing, transporting, distributing, possessing, and using cannabis is an essential act of Witchcraft. The Christian Bible, Jewish Torah, and Islamic Koran all specifically and unambigiously outlaw Witchcraft with the death penalty. All U.S. federal judges are Christian or Jewish. A majority of the U.S. Supreme Court is Roman Catholic.

Very few Americans realize that the persecution of cannabis is Christian (especially Roman Catholic) persecution of Witchcraft. Very few American cannabis users have any idea that they are engaging in Witchcraft, much less that they are being targetted for Witchcraft.

[JamieJelly]

marijuana can cause you to post in the politics forum

[Ferre]

Marijuana can cause you to become 'aware' and socially involved.

[G10]

They reckon marijuana can cause short term memory loss but I can't see it myself

[G10]

They reckon marijuana can cause short term memory loss but I can't see it myself

[ryukenden]

Here is the link for cannabis and mental health

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealt...talhealth.aspx

[ryukenden]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Marijuana can cause you to become 'aware' and socially involved.

People with social phobia use alcohol and drugs to be able to involve with social situation and it is one of feature of social phobia. Otherwise I don't think you need to use it to become aware and socially involved.

[woodcs82]

Yes marijuana can induce psychosis. That is a fact. It effects everyone differntly. Some people feel great . Others may have a bad time and even in some cases a psychosis may happen. I know a little bit about this.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by woodcs82

Yes marijuana can induce psychosis. That is a fact. It effects everyone differntly. Some people feel great . Others may have a bad time and even in some cases a psychosis may happen. I know a little bit about this.

All the research has only shown that mentally unstable people should'nt experiment with psychoactive drugs. What's new?

Most of those mentally unstable people find out the very first time they use it because it triggers their disorders. That's around 0.01% of the population, this does not justify prohibition for the rest of the 99.99% of the population at all, and certainly doesn't justify the witch hunt on cannabis users.

..and I know a whole lot about this too, the past 30 years I have read every single science report that becomes available, I have regular contacts with scientists and professors who conduct the research and I am chairman of the Dutch Legalize organisation, that's the organisation which is one of the driving forces behind the reason why the Netherlands still don't submit to the American drugs war.

Cannabis prohibition is barbaric, it's just as barbaric as the inquisition was and it is just another modern day version of that same inquisition.

[SVB]

Originally Posted by ryukenden

Why? So obviously you haven't seen the psychotic patients.

Never mind cannabis "causing schizophrenia".I don't believe in schizophrenia or many other of these psychiatric "diseases", or syndromes to be more precise, and all medical work based on these so called diseases should be stopped immediately. There is a lot of literature out there. A quick google search and the first site to come up: http://www.antipsychiatry.org/. That site alone has a lot of literature from scientists who don't believe in any of this fraud that does more harm than good.

[Ferre]

You make a point there Steven, when I would describe an LSD trip to a schrink they would have no problem at all to label the experiences I describe as symptoms of psychosis or other mental 'disorders'.

What is regarded as a real interesting experience exploring one's own mind by one person can be a frightening experience for another.

In my own 30+ years of experience with many different people who take entheogens for the first time I found out that it takes a free mind and a personality that doesn't carry too much luggage in the shape of indoctrinated frustrations and fears and the like to be able to enjoy the journey into one's own mind. People with fears and frustrations sometimes find those fears and frustrations amplefied and this can scare the hell out of them, while in fact it's their own thoughts and personality they really fear, those entheogens only open their eyes for themselves, which somehow for a part of our population is something they can't handle very well.

Here is a list of entheogens;
http://www.erowid.org/entheogens/entheogens.shtml

Each one of them has been used in spiritual/religious rituals since thousands of years by various cultures and are regarded as sacred plants by those cultures, each one of those has been targeted by the Abrahamic scripture followers ever since those scriptures and its followers exist and users of sacred plants have been killed and their possesions stolen, each one of those sacred plants is on the 'illegal substances list' and prohibition laws written and enforced by the followers of those same abrahamic scriptures in this day and age, in the old days, when the witch hunt began, the people were told that those who used the sacred plants became 'mad' and 'evil' and they were killed. Today, the public is told that those who use the sacred plants become 'psychotic' and 'criminals'.

It's a racist war againt non abrahamic cultures, it allways was and still is, and the general public is just too blind and poorly informed on historical and cultural anthropology to see what's really going on.

People think the inquisition and witch hunt on non Abrahamic believers ended in the middle ages, nothing is further away from the truth, people like me are hunted down all over the world as we speak, their properties are being stolen and their lives are being ruined while their children have to grow up in 'politically correct' invironments where they learn how to 'pray for their parents'.

If people only knew....