Should Americans be in IRAQ

[hoskinsrick]

we need to stay and fight

[armymomnj]

I say no only because my daughter is a medic in the Army and is over there right now in one of the worst parts. I want her home!

[Tinien]

Americans should go home...From Iraq and other countries.They are everywere with their no one needed democracy.

[cafraley]

This is a important time for this country we live in ,our desicions on inportant issues such as the Iraq war and radical Islam will dictate the quality of life our children and grandchildren will be afforded. These people only have one goal and thats to have a world domated by Islam and their radical beliefs, they will not stop until their mission is accomplished and diplomatic talks will do nothing. Yes in my opinion we must continue the war on terror and radical islam to leave Iraq would give them a breeding ground to plan their attacks on this great country. My son is a Marine and it"s very hard for a mother to send their son in harms way but if we all had the theory of let someone else go where would we be now.The way we live is not free and our sons and daughters are the patriots that will define the way we live in the future.
Connie

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by cafraley

This is a important time for this country we live in ,our desicions on inportant issues such as the Iraq war and radical Islam will dictate the quality of life our children and grandchildren will be afforded. These people only have one goal and thats to have a world domated by Islam and their radical beliefs, they will not stop until their mission is accomplished and diplomatic talks will do nothing. Yes in my opinion we must continue the war on terror and radical islam to leave Iraq would give them a breeding ground to plan their attacks on this great country. My son is a Marine and it"s very hard for a mother to send their son in harms way but if we all had the theory of let someone else go where would we be now.The way we live is not free and our sons and daughters are the patriots that will define the way we live in the future.
Connie

All that's missing in this post is a bunchload of American flags on the background and the national anthem playing.

[cafraley]

I agree with your reply wish I had the flags to post here, you are entitled to your veiws and opinions and I respect that, too bad it didnt go both ways. I will always defend this country and what she stands for. Im sure you cant understand my convictions , I dont ask you to, just respect them.

[G10]

Originally Posted by cafraley

Yes in my opinion we must continue the war on terror and radical islam to leave Iraq would give them a breeding ground to plan their attacks on this great country.

Connie, I understand it must be so difficult to have a child of yours out there fighting this war, especially due to the situation out there that our governments have told us and I can't imagine what you must be going through.

Below is a link to some of the main points regarding the Iraq war.
http://www.v7n.com/forums/636541-post47.html

The information from the above link are the main snippets taken from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

I think most people know these points to be true now but it is difficult, especially if we have loved ones out there fighting.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by cafraley

I agree with your reply wish I had the flags to post here, you are entitled to your veiws and opinions and I respect that, too bad it didnt go both ways. I will always defend this country and what she stands for. Im sure you cant understand my convictions , I dont ask you to, just respect them.

You are sooo right, there's nothing more noble than defending "Freedom" all over the globe. Specially the American brand of freedom, which the whole world is waiting for to be blessed with. They really make us feel a lot more secure and we can't thank them enough for the peace of mind they provide us with.

[cafraley]

Thank you for your reply,at least it was intellegent and with facts, but I do believe that if we dont stop this threat from radicals we will be whispering instead of writing.My son choose to enlist and wanted to for several years, so my opinion is not based on what he did or where he is, it"s the way I feel.and I respect your veiws.but dont agree.

[G10]

I may not agree but I do understand why you have those opinions and I wish your son a safe return

[Ferre]

^^ What he says.

[cafraley]

Thank you for respecting my opinions and thoughts, I also respect yours and am not implying that my opinions are right, their just mine.

[StrongInTheArm]

This is what some of the world thinks Iraq is about:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0,,337484,00.html

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm

This is what some of the world thinks Iraq is about:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0,,337484,00.html

Of course there will be those people who suggest nefarious ulterior motives. There are always those people. But the intellectual few will readily recognize that as ad hominem circumstantiae fallacy.

If I break into a house to stop a rape that is occurring, my justification stands valid - regardless of whether I have an ulterior motive of seeing a girl naked once inside, or stealing the rapists ciggies once inside.

Justified is justified, no matter what dubious ulterior motives the whacked conspiracy theorists come up with.

[Rankenstein]

I think I agree with that. I think what John's saying here is that it's possible to do the right thing for the wrong reason.

[lloyd.velarde@gmail.]

I think the Americans should stay there, I think they should stabilize first Iraq before living it, and too much lives are being screwed, too late to go back.

[StrongInTheArm]

Originally Posted by John Scott

...ad hominem circumstantiae fallacy.

OK, tried to unravel that and ended up with my leg around my neck and my fingers in my ears, must remember that trick.


We are all fairly intelligent thinkers here. As adults we know that there can be more than one reason for doing something. I was for the war, convinced by the need to remove Sadham from power and the claims of WMD by both American and British governments.

I did not wish to believe the calls at the time from some quarters in the UK that the only reason for the war was for the Americans to secure another oil supply from the Middle East. I didn't believe the claims that all subsequent contracts for rebuilding would go in the main to American companies either.

Since the WMD claims have been proven to be false and accepted to be so by the ex British Prime Minister, who it can be argued miss lead me into thinking that WMDs existed in Iraq, I am left with only the need to remove Sadham from power as the valid reason for the war and an error from the intelligence community.

So at the end I am left with Bush Jnr wanting to finish his dad's job. It just doesn't ring true. I don't know what all of Bush's reason for the war were, but I don't think they were all altruistic.

As you say, does America having more than one reason invalidate the action for me, no. To remove Sadham from power was enough of a reason in my book. Murdering despots should not exist in this century. But let us not fool ourselves into thinking Bush was completely honourable in his intentions.


I hate to think it but, I wonder how things would have worked out if we had listened to the French and the Russians, and moved a little more cautiously. Bush would have done better to take the rest of the world with him. Hindsight I know.

[John Scott]

I am left with only the need to remove Sadham from power as the valid reason for the war and an error from the intelligence community.

That's all? Democracy is not an issue? The right of citizens to not be gassed, tortured and murdered on a whim is ok with you?

So at the end I am left with Bush Jnr wanting to finish his dad's job.

Again, how is it you are able to miss the other valid reasons? It's like you are staring at New York's skiyline and saying you only see one house - a 2 story one in the Bronx. How is it you miss the skyscrapers?

[KeithCash]

Originally Posted by John Scott

That's all? Democracy is not an issue? The right of citizens to not be gassed, tortured and murdered on a whim is ok with you?



Again, how is it you are able to miss the other valid reasons? It's like you are staring at New York's skiyline and saying you only see one house - a 2 story one in the Bronx. How is it you miss the skyscrapers?

Well said. it is amazing that the war had stopped hundreds of thousands from being killed in IRAQ, but that does not matter, just there were not weapons of mass distruction, I guess in some peoples minds, other humans just do not matter.