Should Americans be in IRAQ

KeithCash · 06-07-2007, 07:25 AM

Should Americans, British, and other supporting forces still be in IRAQ?

What do you think?

Zap · 06-07-2007, 07:28 AM

Predictions on the length of time it takes for this thread to be moved to the politics forum?

Mine: Less than 10 minutes.

chicgeek · 06-07-2007, 09:32 AM

*looks around innocently*

I'm a little late.

**G10** · 06-07-2007, 09:48 AM

Yes - If they pulled out now, then they have not accomplished their objective and a job half done would be even worse than starting it in the first place.

ewomack · 06-07-2007, 11:32 AM

Whether or not they should be there depends on the long term objectives. Are those clear? I'm not sure they are. But if the objective is to bring "stability to the region" then who can guarantee that whether we pull out now or ten years from now? That area of the world remains volatile and our presence hasn't done a lot to quiet things down. Sure things will get worse if the non-Iraq supporting forces pull out, but if that's the argument for staying in then we could stay forever. It all comes down to what are the goals of "the mission?"

StupidScript · 06-07-2007, 01:13 PM

Yes, Americans should be in Iraq ... on tourist visas.

Of course, there are a few Americans I can think of that should just be dropped off somewhere outside of the Green Zone and left to fend for themselves ... you know who you are, neocons!

KeithCash · 06-07-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ewomack

Whether or not they should be there depends on the long term objectives. Are those clear? I'm not sure they are. But if the objective is to bring "stability to the region" then who can guarantee that whether we pull out now or ten years from now? That area of the world remains volatile and our presence hasn't done a lot to quiet things down. Sure things will get worse if the non-Iraq supporting forces pull out, but if that's the argument for staying in then we could stay forever. It all comes down to what are the goals of "the mission?"

Ed
Sounds link you have thought long and hard about this.

USA has been in Japan and Germany for how long 60+ years.

Sound like this is mission is going to last even longer.

Cheers

BingoBalls · 06-07-2007, 02:01 PM

I'm voting for numb on this one because there are two answers to the question, no & yes.

No they should have never entered Iraq it was a highly illegal invasion. People believed it was for the good of the Iraqi people but isn't there countries worse off that need our help?

Yes they should be there simply because of exactly what G10 said, things would be worse if they did pull out. BUT, there again its only causing a vicious circle. The longer they stay there the more hate is built up from the ever growing population of the enemy.

Its extremely hard to solve a religious conflict and the U.K. only know that too well with being stuck in the middle of our own troubles here for over 30 years.

For one thing they are in it for the long haul and lots more lives will be lost.

ellswo16rthsnjqv · 06-07-2007, 02:07 PM

An associate said the us and uk is in iraq for the haifa pipeline. Or maybe it is called Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline or Mosul Haifa. Not sure he talks fast. What is worse is the war on terror is fake and that the us cia uk mi8 and israel mussad blow up stuff to blame others. mmmmm He drinks too much coffee maybe.

What bugs me is why can't CNN ask these Iraqi terrorists what they want? What do they want? Give it to them. Isn't the us spending like a trillion a year on this? Make each bad guy an offer of a million dollars to chill out. Who wants to got o a beach club and get blown up sheesh.

BingoBalls · 06-07-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ellswo16rthsnjqv

What bugs me is why can't CNN ask these Iraqi terrorists what they want? What do they want? Give it to them. Isn't the us spending like a trillion a year on this? Make each bad guy an offer of a million dollars to chill out. Who wants to got o a beach club and get blown up sheesh.

Considering that CNN is a terrible news organisation it probably doesn't interest them on why, it makes news right? Sunni and Shia are fighting against each other to control Iraq leaving the U.S. etc in the middle.

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Originally Posted by ellswo16rthsnjqv

Isn't the us spending like a trillion a year on this?

Yes but the war is good for the economy. The defence industry is a highly profitable market and when a war comes about its these companies that help pump profit back into the economy. Take companies like Lockhead martin or Raytheon, they make millions on contracts for the military with the latest on Raytheon getting a $29 Million dollar contract.

Other types of industries get a huge boost as well such as private security firms, truckers, construction gangs and so on.

I should add. There are always going to be someone, somewhere, profit from a war.

**John Scott** · 06-12-2007, 05:13 AM

Stay and get the Iraqi government stabilized.

lfcfan · 06-18-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by John Scott

Stay and get the Iraqi government stabilized.

Yes, that should be priority now. But in my opinion it was quite unnecessary and very big mistake.

temyong · 06-19-2007, 02:17 AM

I think US troops is finish on there target to remove Saddam in Iraq. Let Iraqi go on with there self. I hope this is not a repeat of Vietnam many life was lost in that battle.

Alexandro · 06-19-2007, 02:45 AM

They had never to start a war in Iraq but at this time they have to repair what the war do to that country.

'The war is good for the economy ' of USA said BingoBalls but what about the Iraq people and economy, what about Serbia economy, what about other countries where USA in the name of piece and democracy start a war, what about countries where USA soldiers rape women,marine soldiers drive cars drunk and kill people and go back in USA free.What about them?

Maybe know the chinese will start a war in the name of comunism and peace.

And the USA goverment don't know why people from other countries hate them,because they go to war for their economy not for others interest.
Why the USA don't sign the The Kyoto Protocol of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change?

Maybe your ex president Clinton had some personal problems ,but is better then Bush which is a texan idiot.

And about the britains for me Blair was Bush puppy in the Iraq war, like others small countries(force and economy power).

chatxplanet · 06-20-2007, 03:06 AM

I believe that the original regime did infact, needed to be toppled...BUT I do NOT believe in the war for the present times. I firmly believe, due to the facts that I have 'inside' information because I work with the government and because I keep a very close tab on recent events, that this war is more over oil than freedom.

Anyone is allowed to disagree of course, but I'd love to hear how Haliburton and Shell can provide freedom to another country? Well, I guess if you buy the American military to enforce your financial profit margins (gains of course) like they can, you can do whatever you want.

I personally feel it is time we start impeaching those in congress and leaders and force them to give 100% control back to the people and not to the corporations.

Alexandro · 06-20-2007, 05:25 AM

The war, if this is a war must continue to instaureate the law in Iraq.
It was very good if the USA never start the war because they didn't find any chemical distruction militar equipments and because Sadam didn't help Al-Qaeda because of religious problems between siits and sunits.
The USA only want the construction contracts in Iraq and the petroleum.
Thay had to look what happend after the war in Serbia ex Yugoslavia and think twice before start another war.

Freelancer404 · 06-27-2007, 10:08 PM

As a conservative, I think that any who blame Bush for this war are crazy. He is the United States. Just look at the situation he's in:
If we leave, Iraq's government is sure to fall. So then terrorists take over the country or it is run by violence. That would make the entire war appear useless, so people get pissed off at him and say he's a bad leader.
OR
If we stay, Iraq's government gets stronger. But more and more soldiers die every day and people...(you guessed it) get pissed off at him and say he's a bad leader.

temyong · 06-28-2007, 12:24 AM

I think people must know the root of all this chaos and why there are terrorists What are the reason and what they are fighting for?

**John Scott** · 06-28-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by temyong

I think you must know the root of all this chaos why there is terrorist. What are the reason, what are they fighting for?

Your English is not good. Mind rephrasing?