Prescription For Disaster [Must see video!]

[Ferre]

Prescription for Disaster is an in-depth investigation into the symbiotic relationships between the pharmaceutical industry, the FDA, lobbyists, lawmakers, medical schools, and researchers, and the impact this has on consumers and their health care. During this thorough investigation, we take a close look at patented drugs, why they are so readily prescribed by doctors, the role insurance companies and HMO's play in promoting compliance, and the problem of rising health care costs. We examine the marketing and public relations efforts on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies, including sales reps, medical journals and conferences. Further, we look at alternatives to traditional pharmacology and drug therapy, such as vitamins and nutritional supplements, and why they are often perceived as a competitive threat to the drug manufacturers. Alternative therapies also include diet, exercise and a healthy lifestyle.

Prescription for Disaster takes you on a journey through the tangled web of big business, the way disease is treated today, and the consequences we suffer as a society.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46838698762400

[John Scott]

Drug companies shouldn't fund the FDA? Like saying that gas taxes shouldn't fund road construction.

[zibblu]

I fail to follow your analogy...

Drug companies funding the Governmental group that is supposed to be deciding whether or not the drugs the companies are making are safe or not... Think about the contradiction of interests there. This is clearly a problem.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by zibblu

I fail to follow your analogy...

Drug companies funding the Governmental group that is supposed to be deciding whether or not the drugs the companies are making are safe or not... Think about the contradiction of interests there. This is clearly a problem.

Do you mean conflict of interest? Conflict of interest occurs when there is concern over profit.

Do you think that the FDA has stockholders who want to see profits?

Do you think the FDA is afraid of losing "business" to other "FDA"s??

Do you think profit is somehow part of the FDA?

The FDA exists to test drugs. There is no concern over profit. They do not worry about losing customers to other FDA's.

[Ferre]

It's clear that you did not see this very well researched documentary John. There are no profits for the FDA but there are huge profits for the people working for the FDA. <--which means conflict of interest, those people work for the FDA which is a government organisation to protect the people from mis-behavior of those companies, they do not work for the industries to make them money but are actually doing exactly that and they are rewarded by those companies.

View that documentary before you draw conclusions please. It's full of facts and names and data.

[John Scott]

there are huge profits for the people working for the FDA.

Not established at all. Nothing even remotely pointing in that direction.

It's full of facts and names and data.

It's full of conclusions not supported by the facts.

A well known quack, Gary Null, promotes a films that promotes himself and his quack products, and you swallow it hook, line and sinker.

Other speakers in the film are also known quacks, frauds and former doctors whose licenses have been revoked.

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

Promoting quackery and propaganda here is all good and nice, but your credibility (already MIA and presumed dead) suffers.

It's clear that you did not see this very well researched documentary John.

I watched it, most of it twice.

[Ferre]

Dude, you make me laugh, quackwatch has been exposed to be a pharmaceutical funded organisation founded to discredit natural healing, alternative medicine and those who advocate it a long time ago.

Quackwatch is a fraude and you bringing that up as proof is telling more about your credibility than mine.

http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html

http://www.scientificexploration.org...sitereview.pdf

[Ferre]

FDA corruption is very well documented John, ther's not just this video to prove it, here are only a few articles on the FDA's corruption...

http://www.ahrp.org/cms/index2.php?o...o_pdf=1&id=365
http://www.newstarget.com/004728.html
http://www.newstarget.com/021795.html
http://www.ncresearch.org/links.html
http://www.cancertutor.com/WarBetween/War_Fda.html
http://www.fdastudy.com/
http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=6106
http://prescriptiondesk.com/dangerou...tion/index.htm
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...orruption.html
http://www.lef.org/fda/victory.htm
http://www.forces.org/evidence/pharma/fedspharm2.htm
http://www.corruptionreport.org/corruption_context.html
http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=32086
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/20...me-cancer.html
http://www.margonaut.com/science.htm
http://www.emord.com/events/radio/
http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the..._fdas_pla.html
http://www.cancertutor.com/WarBetween/War_Freedom.html

I wonder what your interests are to discredit those who speak out against corruption which endangers public health. Seriously.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Dude, you make me laugh, quackwatch has been exposed to be a pharmaceutical funded organisation founded to discredit natural healing, alternative medicine and those who advocate it a long time ago.

Quackwatch is a fraude and you bringing that up as proof is telling more about your credibility than mine.

http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html

http://www.scientificexploration.org...sitereview.pdf

So, child, what is false on this page?

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

Over the years, Null has marketed a variety of supplement products. In the mid-1980s, his catalog included: Guard-Ion (an antioxidant formula claimed to help protect athletes from free radicals the body can't control), Gary Null's AM-PM Vitamin-Mineral Formula (a "revolutionary breakthrough in vitamin preparation" that provides the nutrients needed at the best times for the body's anabolic and catabolic activities), Candida Complex (to bolster the body's defenses against yeast infection), Endurance Factor (containing "all the nutrients and enzymes that have made Bee Pollen famous"), Energy Plus (a royal jelly tablet), Rebalancer (a "cleansing formulation" for adults exposed to air pollutants, pesticides, or preservatives, or who have "internal metabolic imbalances"), CoEnzyme Q10 ("may reverse deficiencies and improve organ function, especially in the heart), Sport DMG (an N,N Dimethylglycine product to "improve cardiovascular function and to enhance the body's natural immune response system), and Gary Null's Immune Nutrients ("to nourish and stimulate immune function, not merely at a marginal level of preventing disease and degeneration, but a positive level of striving for wellness and excellence, for optimal health").

A 1991 flyer distributed at Null's booth at a health expo described Null's annual "Spring Cleansing, Rebuilding, Stress Reduction Program" at a ranch near Dallas, Texas. The week-long program included aerobic exercise, various sports activities, a fitness assessment, beauty and skin-care treatments, cooking classes, acupressure, applied kinesiology, herbal body wraps, massage, brain-wave stimulation, facials, aromatherapy, reflexology, and loofah apricot scrubs. Null sold the ranch in 1994 [2].

In 1992, Null appeared in a bee pollen infomercial whose producers subsequently were prosecuted by the Federal Trade Commission. During the program, Null falsely claimed the human body ages because it doesn't produce enough enzymes, and that "you can't get any better food than bee pollen" because it is "loaded" with enzymes," but the FTC did not charge him with wrongdoing. According to the infomercial company's president, the interview was taped for another purpose, was dubbed into the infomercial without Null's knowledge or consent, and was deleted from the infomercial after Null demanded its removal

False??? If it's not false, then why the hell would I care if the author has ties to the FDA or to pharma companies? Most doctors have "ties" to pharma companies. You think that in any way impugns the information he provides?

Snorting coke are we?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

I wonder what your interests are to discredit those who speak out against corruption which endangers public health. Seriously.

If the FDA is corrupt, which it very well may be, then let credible people investigate it professionally and expose it.

You post a video of a bunch of quacks hawking their alternative cures - cures that are often ineffective, and hold out false hope, leading to the deaths of the people who take them when they should have been taking chemo - and you ask what my interests are?

Truth. It's always truth. You post every bit of anti-American crap whether it's true or not. That's why you don't have any credibility. Whether it's true or not <-- That's the key point. If you want credibility you have to actually be concerned about the truth.

[Ferre]

for one, the video refered to credible sources and let credible people talk, it was not a one man show of someone you find to be a quack.

Second, I posted a whole bunch of links refering to credible sources, one of them being a report on quackwatch from a credible univesity professor who evaluated eight Quackwatch articles and concluded that the articles were "contaminated with incomplete data, obsolete data, technical errors, unsupported opinions, and/or innuendo..." and "...it is very probable that many of the 2,300,000 visitors to the website have been misled by the trappings of scientific objectivity.

Third, I also posted a link to pdf which about: "
Former FDA Chief Lied Under Oath Is Charged With Financial Conflict of Interest"

Here's what the United States Attorny has to say about the former head of the FDA, in his charge:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/doc...?resultpage=11&


..and still you keep argueing. It looks like you just argue for the sake of it.

[John Scott]

video refered to credible sources and let credible people talk

A man who pleads no contest to killing his girlfriend's child, while previously claiming it was due to medical malpractice, is a credible source?

Former doctors who have lost their licenses because they promised to cure ailments that they could not cure - a credible source?

Are you ****ing insane?

..and still you keep argueing. It looks like you just argue for the sake of it.

Oh, hahaha, LOL, yes, that is so funny! A man killed a baby, tried to blame it on medicine, and I did not find him credible??? What was I thinking?

You have a sick sense of humor Ferre.

No, it was not credible, and anybody with any amount of objectivity could see that. Like I said, this is exactly why you do not have an ounce of credibility. If something is anti-American or anti-American-government in its message, you believe it without reserve. If somebody said that Bush had raped and beaten an alien woman from Mars, you'd be here posting the link and talking up the author's credibility.

I posted a whole bunch of links refering to credible sources

So far I have not made reference to any other links you posted. Of course when one of your links takes 1.5 hours out of my life, with none of the promised virtues, I am hesitant to spend time on any of your other links.

Honestly, it pisses me off. I am very busy, and I took several hours out of my life to watch that damn video and check up on the "facts" it talks about, and a lot of it is absolute bullshit.

I've been raped by Ferre.

That's the feeling here. My time (life) wasted on Ferre's bullshit child murdering idiot parade.