Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction

[John Scott]

So you wanna take me on right? Let's start the engines!

What's that whirling sound? Sounds kind of like a tiny hand held fan motor.

Yale-educated Presidents since the end of the Vietnam War include Gerald Ford, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush

You do know that the presidency is one office out of tens of thousands of political offices in the US, do you not? And you should further be aware that Yale is a highly respected university, so there's nothing odd about our electing 3 alumni to the highest office in the land. Come to think of it, three doesn't even sound too impressive.

You find that sinister?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radboud...rsity_Nijmegen

That page lists four Dutch PM's as alumni! Four! Quick, run out into the streets and alert the police! You're freedom is on the chopping block!

Originally Posted by antolage

If the following things are for sale, and we mean the FULL SERVICES, not some water, but the actual companies that deliver it:

Electricity
Water
Housing
Public buildings
Food Supply
Healthcare
TV Promo, continuously you are forced to look at what they want you to see.
Public transportation
Internet Access

It creates a world where capitalism rules over democracy.

You need to state the connection. Let me show you how logic works:

Water is wet. (Stating an accepted fact here.)

My dishes are immersed in water. (Another fact, establish connection.)

Therefore, my dishes are wet. (Conclusion)

Ok?

You can say that "owning stuff destroys democracy", but until you state it in a way that connects accepted facts to that conclusion, you're just wasting our time.

For your statement to be true, the democratic process would need to be impeded somewhere. Can you show how one person owning many homes and renting them out to others impedes democracy?

[antolage]

What's that whirling sound? Sounds kind of like a tiny hand held fan motor.

I won't even go in on that.

You do know that the presidency is one office out of tens of thousands of political offices in the US, do you not? And you should further be aware that Yale is a highly respected university, so there's nothing odd about our electing 3 alumni to the highest office in the land. Come to think of it, three doesn't even sound too impressive.

You find that sinister?

Yes, that is sinister. As the US is ruled by just 2 parties. With the president as supreme leader as well. The other sections are overruled with 1000s of veto's the President carries. You are talking about a senate? A senate with either a republican or democratic party. Just 2 choices!! It becomes even more sinister if these rulers come from the same university, the same group of families and even the same student group. A group that selects only about 15 new members every couple of years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radboud...rsity_Nijmegen

That page lists four Dutch PM's as alumni! Four! Quick, run out into the streets and alert the police! You're freedom is on the chopping block!

That is a totally different situation. If you would have read my earlier pots, I have explained to you that we carry a totally different political system.
We do not have a president, we have got a prime minister with totally reduced powers. The prime minister is in a political party, in our country 1 party has never ruled the country, in 100s of years. It has always been a combination of multiple parties wich are chosen by different groups of society. For example we have multiple Christian parties, we have a labour party, we have left wing socialst and green parties, and we have got extreme right parties as well.
To keep democracy safe the system is made in a way that one party can never rule on its own in our country.

You need to state the connection. Let me show you how logic works:

Water is wet. (Stating an accepted fact here.)

My dishes are immersed in water. (Another fact, establish connection.)

Therefore, my dishes are wet. (Conclusion)

Ok?

You can say that "owning stuff destroys democracy", but until you state it in a way that connects accepted facts to that conclusion, you're just wasting our time.

For your statement to be true, the democratic process would need to be impeded somewhere. Can you show how one person owning many homes and renting them out to others impedes democracy?

Once again you go directly into bashing, not even responding to one of my statements.
My main statement is very clear. Capitalism gets out of hand in multiple ways, without it being restrained by Social Democratic standards.
You know very well in wich direction I pointed.
The list of things wich are for sale, contained public utilities. For this reason the lives of people are indeed controlled, because the prices could become as commercial as a pack of cigarettes.
In the US for example, doesnt even exist public healthcare. All other western countries, or even Cuba or a majority of Asian countries really laugh about that =)

[antolage]

Quit giving bad reputation because of an opinion John Scott. Are you maybe a bit fascistic yourself? I have 4 bad reps allready from you because of this thread alone.

Really childish. If you cant win the discussion you try to do it like that to at least feel good about yourself? Grow up man.


Bush knew Saddam had no... 09-29-2007 07:31 AM John Scott Nonsense
Bush knew Saddam had no... 09-28-2007 06:53 PM John Scott Kind of stupid, no?

How can these be worth 4 points? And also why has the good reputation wich i got from the topic starter been removed by you?
Are you now influencing my trading on this forum too? Because you can't win a discussion?

This is really one for the big book (Oh sorry, blog!)

I'm quitting this thread from here, as I think its allready clear how things work.
As well I don't want to risk getting more of these negative reputation points from you.

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by John Scott

No, it is our media record that weapons of mass destruction were one reason amongst many.

i agree but all the media was picking up this reason as the main item thats why i mentioned it.And even now we see that US is warning Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

Like I've said before:

• Weapons of mass destruction is not a reason for invading a country. Russia has weapons of mass destruction and we don't invade them.
  
• Weapons of mass destruction do not require an occupation. We usually just do an air strike on the area where the weapons are being developed or deployed.

Well Rusia is also a powerful country and attacking over it may result in third world war.But recently i heard a news report that US is fixing some missile system in Europe.And recently this issue brought both the countries to an edge of war.But UN solved the problem.Not sure that what happened next.

Originally Posted by antolage

You do not understand what is happening here. America does not want democracy as it has NEVER had democracy itself. The united states is a 100% capitalistic country, wich is a system much mistaken with democracy. The big difference is that, the one with more money has more power. If he is criminal or not, that does not matter. The key country with huge support from the Americans is Saudi Arabia, where your hands are cut off if you steal an apple because you are hungry.

America went for the oil and drugs, thats pretty clear. It is PROVEN that the CIA has a big hand in major drug dealing.

You should really check this out:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3pl5Wxgyg

Don't you feel much better and maybe a bit awake after seeing this?

Well got surprised.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by antolage

Quit giving bad reputation because of an opinion John Scott. Are you maybe a bit fascistic yourself? I have 4 bad reps allready from you because of this thread alone.

Really childish. If you cant win the discussion you try to do it like that to at least feel good about yourself? Grow up man.

Reputation exists to indicate to others what a person is thought of. If a person posts nonsense, his reputation should reflect that. you post nonsense; your reputation reflects that.

Originally Posted by antolage

And also why has the good reputation wich i got from the topic starter been removed by you?

Tell me, antolage, as an adult you would not post that I had removed your reputation without solid evidence of such. As a responsible adult, you would not make such a serious allegation without reason. So tell me, you responsible adult you, what leads you to believe that I removed reputation you were given?

[John Scott]

Cats must be stopped. Cats must be killed and burned.

Cats cause tsunamis. They must be stopped? How do cats cause tsunamis? Yes, they do.

If somebody posted that BS in my forum, you better believe I’d give them red reputation. It’s making a mockery of the intelligence that God gave us.

If they came into the forum and said:

Cats must be stopped. Cats must be killed and burned.

Cats cause tsunamis. Why must be stopped? Because they cause tsunamis and the tsunamis kill thousands of people.

How do cats cause tsunamis? Via their hair. When cats eat beetles, their digestive track creates a special acid to digest the beetles. The acid is then dissolved into their bloodstream and secreted with sweat onto their fur. A chemical reaction creates a fine dust that is then released into the atmosphere. It deflects the moon’s magnetism, which in turn causes under-sea tectonic plate shifts which in turn create tsunamis.

Then I would marvel at his ability to communicate like an intelligent human being.

If you believe that a process exists within capitalism that impedes democracy, then DESCRIBE HOW THE PROCESS IMPEDES DEMOCRACY. As it is, you just keep repeating that such a impediment exists, without describing how the process you actually impedes democracy.

You say ownership of property that is rented out is contradictory to democracy, then please proceed to describe how such ownership impedes democracy.

Thank you.

[upsonians]

Well John i think he is lieying.Let me clear him that i haven't any such problem any where in tis forum.
Although i posted in opposition of John in a lot of theads but it never occured beause John is a very nice person.
Antolage this is a forum and everyone is allowed to express his point of view.
If you say that John removed your reputation, then show a proof and also let me clear it to you if Jhon want he can kick you out of here but he don't...

[antolage]

Originally Posted by upsonians

Well John i think he is lieying.Let me clear him that i haven't any such problem any where in tis forum.
Although i posted in opposition of John in a lot of theads but it never occured beause John is a very nice person.
Antolage this is a forum and everyone is allowed to express his point of view.
If you say that John removed your reputation, then show a proof and also let me clear it to you if Jhon want he can kick you out of here but he don't...

Ferre added one positive rep about this thread. John added 2 negative ones. Only the negative ones show up, how strange!

I think Ferre will proof i am right

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by antolage

Ferre added one positive rep about this thread. John added 2 negative ones. Only the negative ones show up, how strange!

I think Ferre will proof i am right

can u mention how many points u got from ferre and then how much from John.
And mention that how your reputation was removed thats not possible.What about people have greens at the left and you have red interesting.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by antolage

Ferre added one positive rep about this thread. John added 2 negative ones. Only the negative ones show up, how strange!

I think Ferre will proof i am right

Reputation ID # 26166

Ferre antolage 22:28, 29th Sep 2007 115

Still there. Why would you claim that it wasn't there? Why? You go to your userCP and of course it will show. So, I have to ask, you just being dishonest? Huh? Or you got a better excuse?

[antolage]

If somebody posted that BS in my forum, you better believe I’d give them red reputation. It’s making a mockery of the intelligence that God gave us.

If they came into the forum and said:


Then I would marvel at his ability to communicate like an intelligent human being.

What does that TOTAL jibberish have to do with this thread? We were having a simple FACTUAL discussion about this. You keep on using very strange methods to try to reach your point. Please go back to discussing with facts, please! You right wing guys really start to creap me out.

You are using a well known strategy to bash free thinking, you are trying to make factual statements look like humor or fictional statements.
I think every intelligent person reading over this thread will easily look between your badly drawn lines.

If you believe that a process exists within capitalism that impedes democracy, then DESCRIBE HOW THE PROCESS IMPEDES DEMOCRACY. As it is, you just keep repeating that such a impediment exists, without describing how the process you actually impedes democracy.

You say ownership of property that is rented out is contradictory to democracy, then please proceed to describe how such ownership impedes democracy.

Thank you.

I explained to you fully how this is contradictonary to democracy. If money is influencing the process, no good can ever come from it. The big money guys like the Republicans, or even the Democrats will always push against eachother at the end, just because the other parties do not have the money to compete on television.
Equal sending time should be divided to all political parties on the same public broadcasting systems.
I am not going into the public utility things again, those are appendixes of the capitalistic movement. Within 10 years time, your drinking water will probably come from MC donalds. Since the utilities are privatised, everyone can buy the drinking water, so MC donalds will probably also look at it and buy huge parts of it with all their big money things

As i told you, i dont really want to get into it again, untill you show some guts and put back my reputation points, or remove your own negative posts.
You should face discussions as a man.

[antolage]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Reputation ID # 26166


Still there. Why would you claim that it wasn't there? Why? You go to your userCP and of course it will show. So, I have to ask, you just being dishonest? Huh? Or you got a better excuse?

Why does it not give me points then? Yes it here, but take a look at the left! I dont see any green points! Ferre also believed this was weird, and isnt it?

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Reputation ID # 26166


Still there. Why would you claim that it wasn't there? Why? You go to your userCP and of course it will show. So, I have to ask, you just being dishonest? Huh? Or you got a better excuse?

Thats interesting..done a good job Weldone John now let him to apologize.

[antolage]

Originally Posted by upsonians

Thats interesting..done a good job Weldone John now let him to apologize.

I think you should really get lost now, untill you can find some knowledge to at least respond to the topic.

[John Scott]

I explained to you fully how this is contradictonary to democracy.

No, you didn't. You claimed that capitalism impedes democracy. You made that claim several times, and never once described how capitalism impedes democracy. How does capitalism prevent me from voting for the person I want to vote for?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by antolage

Why does it not give me points then? Yes it here, but take a look at the left! I dont see any green points! Ferre also be