Student tasered for asking Kerry about Skull & Bones

[Julie]

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense."
(State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).\

More here.

The cops had no right to arrest him, or forcibly remove him.

And I agree - Kerry is a total pansy in the whole ordeal.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Julie

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense."
(State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).\

More here.

The cops had no right to arrest him, or forcibly remove him.

I don't know what the cops believed to be their cause, but there are more than a few laws they could cite as grounds to arrest him.

[Julie]

Originally Posted by John Scott

I don't know what the cops believed to be their cause, but there are more than a few laws they could cite as grounds to arrest him.

Well if you watch some of the other videos of the incident, they say at the end they are arresting him for inciting a riot. Where was the riot?

Saying the things he said or even in the manner he said, was in no way unlawful. Therefore, his arrest was unlawful.

2 cops were put on administrative leave. That's gotta mean something.

[John Scott]

Saying the things he said or even in the manner he said, was in no way unlawful. Therefore, his arrest was unlawful.

That is not logic. LOL. The things Ted Bundy said were not unlawful, therefore his arrest was illegal. ROFL.

Maybe it wasn't what he said that was illegal? Maybe, just perhaps, it's what he did?

Disturbing the peace comes to mind. Failure to obey a lawful police command. Resisting arrest. And, the guy has no sense. He's a college student and he should know that you are required by law to give the police your name when asked, but he refused. Plain stupid.

Whether or not the police needed to taser him is another question, but to say "Student tasered for asking Kerry about Skull & Bones" is simply false and beyond moronic.

[Julie]

Perhaps the right to free speech doesn't mean anything to you. He did nothing wrong, nothing that warranted the assault he received.

What's next, another Kent State?

[John Scott]

Perhaps the right to free speech doesn't mean anything to you.

You truly are a moron, eh? Does freedom of speech guarantee me the right to cut in front of others who are in line to ask questions? Does freedom of speech guarantee me the right to make speeches on anywhere and anytime I want? Does freedom of speech say that I can go into your bedroom at night and lecture you on diet and exercise?

He did nothing wrong

If you honestly think so, then you are just as un-educated as him.

Tell me, bright eyes, when did the law change to state that a citizen is allowed to refuse to identify himself to police.

[Julie]

There's no need to be childish and insulting.

Does freedom of speech guarantee me the right to cut in front of others who are in line to ask questions?

No, but that's not what happened.

Does freedom of speech guarantee me the right to make speeches on anywhere and anytime I want?

Within reason. You can't hop the White House fence and stand on the lawn and make speeches, for obvious reasons.

Does freedom of speech say that I can go into your bedroom at night and lecture you on diet and exercise?

That would be trespassing, so no.

I see them grab him suddenly, I didn't hear anyone asking him his name. They wouldn't even tell him what he was being arrested for until much later, long before they even ask about his identity.

[John Scott]

No, but that's not what happened.

Yes that is what happened.

Within reason.

Nope.

Freedom of speech doesn't allow you special access to anywhere, or special rights. If the kid wants to go out onto the sidewalk and give his speech, the cops will let him be. But he has no right to give his speech at an event like he did.

I didn't hear anyone asking him his name.

Who said they asked his name? They ask for ID, and he refused to give his ID or his name. Illegal. Damn, Julie, get educated. I thought you had a college education?

[Cricket]

Although I do not agree with the use of a taser for this situation, I have to admit that I jumped to conclusions when first watching the video, and before hearing additional information surrounding this incident.

Watching the longer version of the video (especially what led up to all of this) gave me a bit of a different outlook on the whole thing.

Watch (and listen) carefully how many times he was asked to leave the mic after the allotted time expired. When they finally turned his mic off (due to time limit and his sexually explicit language) he was again asked to step away from the mic.

It appears that it was after his outburst at that point that the campus police stepped in. Initially they only appear to be leading him away but he began screaming and breaking away from them.

There are also witnesses who mention him setting up a bystander to video tape everything before he got to the mic. Add this student's history into the picture and you start to see a student who likely intended and planned to cause as big of a ruckus as he possible could.

At the very least, there is certainly more to this story than what the headlines would like for us to believe.

Just my

[John Scott]

I passionately hate police brutality and excessive force use. But this guy doesn't help the cause. He hurts it. People see this clown, not obeying lawful police commands, attempting to escape, resisting arrest, and some bozo calls it "police brutality".

"If this is police brutality," people will think, "then police brutality isn't a real issue."

That's wrong. It does disservice to the cause. Real excessive force use does happen, and it's not some cute little thing like this. It's innocent people being beaten by police. This kid goes in there asking to get tasered and he got tasered. I am thinking, where can I get my "Taser the Kid" t-shirt?

[spoofy420]

I think the use of taser by the cops was very well justified. He was clearly instructed many times to step away from the mic. He refused to obey. It seemed like that initially the cops were escorting him out of the room but he refused at which point it makes sense for more than a few cops to handle his removal from the room.

Also, if you read the news, there have been many citings about the student having a history of making jokes etc.

In today's society we blame the cops for not doing the job whereas we are the ones who force new laws to forbid them from doing their jobs. I am not saying all the situations are same but at some point the cops have the right: 1) to defend themselves and 2) do their job.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by spoofy420

I think the use of taser by the cops was very well justified. He was clearly instructed many times to step away from the mic. He refused to obey. It seemed like that initially the cops were escorting him out of the room but he refused at which point it makes sense for more than a few cops to handle his removal from the room.

Also, if you read the news, there have been many citings about the student having a history of making jokes etc.

In today's society we blame the cops for not doing the job whereas we are the ones who force new laws to forbid them from doing their jobs. I am not saying all the situations are same but at some point the cops have the right: 1) to defend themselves and 2) do their job.

This is exactly why I say that the kid does a disservice to the cause of all of those who fight police brutality. On the basis of this case alone, folks will be dismissing claims of police brutality as nonsense, just because this incident was clearly nonsense.

[John Scott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA

Watching that one, I'd have tasered him a lot sooner. Jackass deserved it.

[John Scott]

I don’t know if this is relevant or not, but Andrew Meyer is a former sports writer for the school newspaper The Alligator. In his columns, he has been known to make ridiculous statements in order to gain attention for himself. Was today a publicity stunt?

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/17...n-kerry-forum/

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by John Scott

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/17...n-kerry-forum/

Yeah, the comments here by a witness tell a bit more about what allegedly happened before what we see on any of the videos.

A UF student who was at the event and, emailed Michelle Malkin, stating there was more to it than what was shown on video.

…However, while Senator Kerry was responding to a student’s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb? Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should “spend time to answer everyone’s questions!” Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would “stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.” The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying “what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!” The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the
police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other student’s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*)…

Read the entire email at ,Michelle Malkin