Finding Osama bin Laden

[shahbaz419]

Originally Posted by upsonians

YA exactly "Cricket" u r right.I think every one should try to understand this fact.
And we should try to share our views not to use harsh words.Thx

I can't hear even a single word against my Religion ... @ upsonians,you know well i'm a chill & friendly guy!!

[Tanya]

Originally Posted by upsonians

Well Tanya i m a Muslim and i don't know why u r blaming me for it, as i know u r a muslim too and i have seen ur posts in a thread which was having some posts against Islam.

Where did i blame you for being a Muslim???
I am a Muslim? Now please do explain this, how on earth did you come up with that? You're about to step over the line mister. Honestly. I'm asking you not to. Period.

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by Tanya

but alas, you hear the word Muslim or something closely related to you, and you jump into hells fire to blabber about it.

Tanya here is the answer of ur question.Isn't it blamming me and other muslims as extremists.
I know my english is not strong but i try to share my views and i think u should encourage me but alas u r taking 180 degree phase shift each time to my post.
No one else said anything about my English or spell mistakes but u r pointing it out each time.Now lets start i m going to point out ur mistakes...but ohh i for got u r a "mentor" u can do anything as u have mentioned that in reputation to me.

[Tanya]

Please copy paste what i've ever i've said in rep messages to you right here NOW. Or i can ask John to check. hey, report me with a screen cap of that said rep messages if it does exist.

you hear the word Muslim or something closely related to you, and you jump into hells fire to blabber about it.

^ that is not blaming other muslims or yourself for anything, i'm stating that whenever you see something about muslims, you post anything about it for the sake of posting because you're a muslim.

Don't take forever to answer

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by Tanya

Please copy paste what i've ever i've said in rep messages to you right here NOW. Or i can ask John to check. hey, report me with a screen cap of that said rep messages if it does exist.



^ that is not blaming other muslims or yourself for anything, i'm stating that whenever you see something about muslims, you post anything about it for the sake of posting because you're a muslim.

Don't take forever to answer

Wel Tanya i post in every thread where there is a touch to Muslim community becoz I m a muslim and here u can see a lot of thread having mis information about Islam so post in them in order to make the correction,but is there any problem with posting in them.I don't see any ...

[Tanya]

Accusing me of saying how i'm a mentor and i can do what i like, then ignoring the fact that i asked you to POST it, is rather childish, and very weak of someone who stands by every word they say.

I shall remove myself from this thread. Waiting to hear an explanation from you regarding the above.

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by Tanya

Accusing me of saying how i'm a mentor and i can do what i like, then ignoring the fact that i asked you to POST it, is rather childish, and very weak of someone who stands by every word they say.

I shall remove myself from this thread. Waiting to hear an explanation from you regarding the above.

No Tanya have PM'd u the words u can check them out.And don't try to leave this thread becoz each time i get ur reply making me happy that some one is there in the forum who check my each post.
So be there and do postings in this thread...

[Tanya]

Originally Posted by upsonians

Should i copy it here..Tanya u r always agianst me i don't know why?Don't u see a lot a lot of threads here against Islam.Why don't u post there.Ur words in reputation to me are:
i shall take it up with an admin.

I thought it was against your religion to lie, so this would be you making a sin.

Originally Posted by upsonians

but ohh i for got u r a "mentor" u can do anything as u have mentioned that in reputation to me.

Anyway, take it up with an admin i did, and several Mods, simply to make sure what i'm doing right now is not wrong. We're all human, no one is perfect.

NEVER lie, and accuse anyone, be it admin, mod, mentor or regular member of something on these forums, that's not what v7n is all about. Yes people here argue, yes a lot of us don't see eye to eye, hell Ferre and John rarely do, but to lie, and accuse each other of things is def NOT something anyone here approves of.

I'll wait for an apology, be it here, or in PM.

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by backgammonnn123

Can anyone here give me a brief history on mohammad mossadegh? Maybe after studying hinm you will all understand why we have islamic extemism at all out there.

Knowledge is power

I assume you are basically talking about this. I did note that the neutrality of that particular article is disputed, but found the comments listed on the discussion page to be somewhat interesting.

However, I am wondering how this is all relevant to the current discussion. Can you help me understand what point you are making?



EDIT: Please forgive me for the late question about your question backgammonnn123. I was looking at the wrong page of the thread, but I am still curious about how you feel it all relates to the thread topic.

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by Tanya

I thought it was against your religion to lie, so this would be you making a sin.



Anyway, take it up with an admin i did, and several Mods, simply to make sure what i'm doing right now is not wrong. We're all human, no one is perfect.

NEVER lie, and accuse anyone, be it admin, mod, mentor or regular member of something on these forums, that's not what v7n is all about. Yes people here argue, yes a lot of us don't see eye to eye, hell Ferre and John rarely do, but to lie, and accuse each other of things is def NOT something anyone here approves of.

I'll wait for an apology, be it here, or in PM.

Well i m not lieying.And i don't want to be.Read out this thread from my first post in it and then ur reply.First u replied for my post and then i replied for ur one.The one i replied was shocking for u and u add reputation to me mentioning that it was an insult for u.And also u mentioned that if again i did this then u will take it as an admin.
But Tanya read out ur reply for my post, i don't think what u consider as an insult.U don't consider ur reply for my post as an insult.You can see one of the other member of this forum SHAHBAZ419 quoted u in his post that u have insulted me...but really its interesting that u don't read others posts but only read out mine ones and point out English spell mistakes.
Now u should think that if a third person mentions u that u insulted some one then who should apologise.
In my last post i mentioned that i will not write anything against u but now i decided to do it becoz its now need of the day.
I'll wait for an apology, be it here, or in PM.
Regards:
Muhammad Arif

[Michael_Goldman]

The thing is once Osama bin Laden is found there will be no clear goals and no really big terrorists to fight... so everything is done (or not done) for a reason

~MG

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by upsonians

Well i m not lieying.And i don't want to be.

Please see below . . .

Originally Posted by upsonians

No one else said anything about my English or spell mistakes but u r pointing it out each time.Now lets start i m going to point out ur mistakes...but ohh i for got u r a "mentor" u can do anything as u have mentioned that in reputation to me.

You very clearly did say the above, and then later changed it when Tanya demanded that you show a screenshot of your accusation.

Now that this fact has been established, and am going to respectfully request that you take this private conversation out of this thread so that the rest of us can discuss the topic at hand.

Thank you for understanding.

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by Cricket

Please see below . . .




You very clearly did say the above, and then later changed it when Tanya demanded that you show a screenshot of your accusation.

Now that this fact has been established, and am going to respectfully request that you take this private conversation out of this thread so that the rest of us can discuss the topic at hand.

Thank you for understanding.

I have shown that to Tanya but i don't know how to put a screen shot over here.
But if u want to come back to the topic then i agree.But let Tanya to reply her choice.Thx
Regards:
Arif

[thegamerslink]

Osama Bin Laden is nothing more than a figure head, whether he is killed or not killed that fact will not change. If you find him and he is killed he becomes a martar and can be used in even a greater way to inspire and recruit more that have no idea how to think for themselves. The focus of such a conflict between extremists that even though they call themselves muslims in true terms are not, cannot be waged on the head of just one man. Has anyone ever considered the possibility that perhaps the U.S. millitiary allowed him to survive for a reason? Put thought to it. It makes sense if you think about it.
His having to hide and duck and continuously look behind his back, change his appearance, put sheets behind him in videos so he thinks he can't be tracked. That kind of missery speaks volumes louder than a dramatic capture and death would don't you think? How can you be a functional and strong leader if you're always on the run?

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by thegamerslink

Osama Bin Laden is nothing more than a figure head, whether he is killed or not killed that fact will not change. If you find him and he is killed he becomes a martar and can be used in even a greater way to inspire and recruit more that have no idea how to think for themselves. The focus of such a conflict between extremists that even though they call themselves muslims in true terms are not, cannot be waged on the head of just one man. Has anyone ever considered the possibility that perhaps the U.S. millitiary allowed him to survive for a reason? Put thought to it. It makes sense if you think about it.
His having to hide and duck and continuously look behind his back, change his appearance, put sheets behind him in videos so he thinks he can't be tracked. That kind of missery speaks volumes louder than a dramatic capture and death would don't you think? How can you be a functional and strong leader if you're always on the run?

Help me understand. Are you saying something along the lines of what this article reports?

Bin Laden losing control of Al Qaeda?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-9-2007_pg4_12

[thegamerslink]

I hadn't read that article. I thought I was using my own logic in the statement:-) Even though the release of the video and audio tapes may have seemingly put him back in charge we all know once a leader slips from leadership in an organization that is based on hatred, control and destruction that the fight to get back on top is almost impossible, so according to the article you still have 2 factions left Osama's and the other guys, even if they both focus on a single target i.e. pakistan they can't truly bring resources to bear like they initially had pre-9/11. So we are seeing the slow deteriation of that groups infamous organization and design I think, taking him out of the picture had we captured or killed him I think would have brought the factions back together and united them stronger than ever perhaps....I could be wrong...but I'm usually not....(LoL personal joke)