Who Really Won the Iraq War?

VPoster · 10-23-2007, 01:18 PM

I read an article about the Iraq War ( read article here ). The article basically says that corporate America and specifically companies friendly with the Bush administration are the clear winners of the Iraq war.

I happen to agree with the article. If it wasn't for the valuable oil in Iraq there wouldn't still be any American troops in Iraq.

viswablr · 10-23-2007, 09:34 PM

I am sorry; I can not record my honest answer for your question. Government agencies are watching all internet forums. :-D

John Scott · 10-24-2007, 07:03 AM

CNN won.

VPoster · 10-24-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by viswablr

I am sorry; I can not record my honest answer for your question. Government agencies are watching all internet forums. :-D

Are you sure that all forums are being watched by the government, or is it just paranoia? Actually, I heard a theory that the government scans all emails too. Hard to know what's true and what's just a myth.

jwalsh · 10-24-2007, 07:12 PM

Is it really all about winning? What about humanity?

VPoster · 10-25-2007, 04:04 PM

Jwalsh,

Just to clarify, are you saying that humanity is better off after the war or was humanity better off if there had been no war?

John Scott · 10-25-2007, 04:16 PM

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Jwalsh,

Just to clarify, are you saying that humanity is better off after the war or was humanity better off if there had been no war?

He appears to be saying it's not about winning or losing or playing stupid politics games, but about humanity itself.

It's a good point, too.

It almost seems like many anti-Bush people want the Shiite vs Sunni bloodfest to continue, just say they can have something to blame on Bush.

We should all want peace in the Middle East.

jwalsh · 10-25-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John Scott

He appears to be saying it's not about winning or losing or playing stupid politics games, but about humanity itself.

It's a good point, too.

It almost seems like many anti-Bush people want the Shiite vs Sunni bloodfest to continue, just say they can have something to blame on Bush.

We should all want peace in the Middle East.

John hit it right on the money. We all have political opinions about the war, but in the end's it's not about winning or losing. I think we should take our pride out of the equation and do what's best for all people.

viswablr · 10-25-2007, 11:04 PM

Hello somebody! Please find an alternative for oil. Let us see how USA's interests on middle-east's peace take turn.

viswablr · 10-25-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VPoster

Are you sure that all forums are being watched by the government, or is it just paranoia? Actually, I heard a theory that the government scans all emails too. Hard to know what's true and what's just a myth.

Yes. This is true. Not a myth.

aarathi · 10-25-2007, 11:09 PM

Yes. I agree your opinion.

lifeofegypt · 10-26-2007, 05:21 AM

Big business won the war, just like they win all the important political races. They also get the most coveted places of advertisement(television).

StrongInTheArm · 10-26-2007, 07:28 AM

In war there is no winner, there are only losers. The question should be to what degree each side loses. And I'm not talking money.

VPoster · 10-26-2007, 11:41 AM

I agree that it would be best for all of humanity if there was peace in the Middle East and all around the globe. Trouble is that there's always someone who finds reasons to fight. Maybe it's ingrained in human nature? Personally I can't understand why people would ever want to fight. It's strange that all major religions claim to preach peace - Christianity, Islam, Judaism, yet each of these groups can use religion to justify war.

It would be a great world if everyone could accept each other's differences and not hate. But, that's a world that only exists in dreams. Too bad there's no world figure that everyone can really behind who'd lead everyone to peace and end all violence.

John Scott · 10-26-2007, 01:25 PM

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It's strange that all major religions claim to preach peace - Christianity, Islam, Judaism, yet each of these groups can use religion to justify war.

Love is very, very rarely about religion. Even a lot of the terrorism and wars blamed on Islam, are not about Islam. They are about intolerance of people who happen to be Muslims. They are also about the ethnic pride of Arabs. Religion? Naw. You don't have to be religious to be intolerant. An conservative atheist Arab, seeing the Westernization of Arab countries, will most likely feel the same rage that a conservative Muslim Arab feels.

achillies · 10-28-2007, 05:55 AM

Americans lost the iraq war.

TheFriend · 10-28-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm

In war there is no winner, there are only losers. The question should be to what degree each side loses. And I'm not talking money.

I agree with SITA: No one really won the war.
Everyone lost soldiers and other people. (of course money too)

Only victims and no winners...........

v7nlove33 · 10-31-2007, 05:01 AM

Everyone that who is the winner of this war
i just say that Iraq citizen is the loser in this war .

VPoster · 10-31-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by John Scott

Love is very, very rarely about religion. Even a lot of the terrorism and wars blamed on Islam, are not about Islam. They are about intolerance of people who happen to be Muslims. They are also about the ethnic pride of Arabs. Religion? Naw. You don't have to be religious to be intolerant. An conservative atheist Arab, seeing the Westernization of Arab countries, will most likely feel the same rage that a conservative Muslim Arab feels.

I believe that religion is used as a tool to justify geo-political means. I'm reminded of a movie that I once saw called 'Kingdom of Heaven'. It was set a thousand years ago in the Middle East and it was about the crusades. That movie helps remind us that the region was an area of conflict a thousand years and ago and today nothing has really changed. Maybe war is in man's nature. A thousand years pass and we still can't all learn to share this world and live together in peace.

StrongInTheArm · 10-31-2007, 11:50 AM

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A thousand years pass and we still can't all learn to share this world and live together in peace.

You make an interesting point. We should all ask ourselves how much effort we have made to understand our fellow man. One man's idea of sharing is another man's idea of selfishness.