The Scary Left

**John Scott** · 10-23-2007, 03:19 PM

Probably the most scary thing I've ever heard from the Liberal Left, out of everything, is the idea that parents should be prevented from sharing their religion with their kids. It's child abuse, you know.

Julie · 10-23-2007, 04:39 PM

That's insane. But do you have a link?

Zap · 10-23-2007, 04:41 PM

More funny than scary, I think. They'll have a really tough time trying to police this one.

robert s. · 10-23-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zap

More funny than scary, I think. They'll have a really tough time trying to police this one.

yeah - all other questions aside: how would you check on that???

**John Scott** · 10-23-2007, 04:49 PM

I heard it a couple times on v7n. A couple of our in house atheists referred to it as child abuse or something along those lines. Then I was over on another community today where their was another pompous windbag of an atheist with his spewing of hatred at all religions (even those cute ones like Hindu and Buddhism), and I mentioned that it's not cool to stir up hatred. The response was something along the lines of, until parents are prevented form teaching religion to children, religious people need to be attacked.

Anyhow, the source is Dawkins.

"Religion equals 'child abuse'"

I knew a public school teacher who opposes private schools because they "cheat" public schools out of the chance to teach children that religions are false.

Yeah, kids are the battlefield. Smart tactic, too. Teach 'em to be Liberals from the time they are kids, and you don't have to do it later when they are able to employ critical thought.

Julie · 10-23-2007, 04:51 PM

I think a huge majority of the world's population would be considered child abusers then, which is ludicrous. That guy is whacked out, and I can assure you that the idiots who repeat it, don't speak for the majority of the left.

**John Scott** · 10-23-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie

I think a huge majority of the world's population would be considered child abusers then, which is ludicrous. That guy is whacked out, and I can assure you that the idiots who repeat it, don't speak for the majority of the left.

I think the Liberal Left has enjoyed great popularity due to its ability to keep its agenda from the lowly peons who elect them.

For example, CPS. Janet Reno knows the game. She refused to lift a finger when CPS was breaking up family after family after family, and sending terminating parental rights without due process. She's a hero of the Left. The key is to not inform the people who vote that you actually think of them as morons who need their children taken from them.

A lot of Liberals might stop being Liberals if they knew that every time a legislator attempts to sponsor a bill that will provide due process for parents whose children were taken by CPS, the Liberals start a slander campaign accusing the legislator of being a proponent of child abuse.

http://www.familyrightsassociation.c...r_coming_home/
http://www.fightcps.com/oldsite/general.htm

In one case they accused the White father of raping his daughter, and even after DNA proved that it was a Black suspect who had been released from prison, they refused to acknowledge it and terminated his rights and adopted the kid out to another family.

Liberal = Big Powerful Gov't.

robert s. · 10-23-2007, 05:03 PM

i am not religious, but i dont understand this!

logically an atheist should then be forced, not to share atheism with his child - am i right??? so for me this is a big pile of BS!

**John Scott** · 10-23-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by robert s.

logically an atheist should then be forced, not to share atheism with his child - am i right??? so for me this is a big pile of BS!

Atheism, by their logic, is not a religion. So it's ok to share with kids.

robert s. · 10-24-2007, 12:04 AM

atheism is - for me - a way of believing that there is no god. it is a "no god religion".

anyhow: it is a believe-system and therefore it must be wrong to share it with the kids.....there is NO OTHER logical conclusion. it is either - or!

or am i seeing something wrong here or do i something not understand?

**Rankenstein** · 10-24-2007, 05:59 AM

Thorny area, this.

For me atheism means that I find the idea of a God both unhelpful and unnecessary, but you go ahead and believe what you want.

Some atheists believe that religion is the realm of the credulous and god is an imaginary friend, and therefore religious people are teaching their children a load of 'bull*hit'. So, isn't teaching your child a load of rubbish, and making them believe e.g. Santa Claus is real, a form of child abuse? That's where they're coming from.

It's a reaction to cases such as happened in Italy. The Catholic Church kidnapped children from Jewish families and raised them as Catholic. So, it's not the Liberal Left that came up with the idea in the first place - it's the Catholics. Link to an example of that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgardo_Mortara

So if you really want to look for who came up with the idea of taking kids away from their homes and teaching them something other than the religion of their parents, blame the Catholics. They do it all the time. It's called child abuse and kidnapping.

If people pull that crap in the cause of religion, they can expect to take a load of flak for it. This is the reaction, not the cause.

Can't say I agree with it, mind you, but it's hardly unexpected given what religious people get up to in the name of God.

Zap · 10-24-2007, 06:07 AM

It would be great if they could somehow stop the "God Hates Fags" people from sharing their "religion" with their kids.

**John Scott** · 10-24-2007, 06:43 AM

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So, isn't teaching your child a load of rubbish, and making them believe e.g. Santa Claus is real, a form of child abuse? That's where they're coming from.

Um, no.

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So, it's not the Liberal Left that came up with the idea in the first place - it's the Catholics.

Is that a legitimate defense?

"Well, your honor, my client may have murdered the family of six in order to eat them, but history shows us that cannibalism has been happening long before this incident."

"Oh, well, in that my goodness, case dismissed!"

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So if you really want to look for who came up with the idea of taking kids away from their homes and teaching them something other than the religion of their parents, blame the Catholics.

Again, is this a defense? "Other people are doing it too!"

How about we blame the people that are stupid enough to think that they have some right to determine how other people raise their kids?

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If people pull that crap in the cause of religion, they can expect to take a load of flak for it. This is the reaction, not the cause.

So you're blaming some Catholics for it and calling it good. Very odd logic. "Catholics are fascists who have trampled the rights of others so it's ok for us to be fascists and trample peoples' rights."

**Rankenstein** · 10-24-2007, 06:49 AM

I'm not calling it good.

Actually, I think it's an appalling idea. The Catholics were appalling, the people advocating it in reverse now are appalling. But to say the 'Scary Left' came up with the idea is ridiculous. If, however, you took your opening post and changed the words 'Liberal Left' for 'Catholics' then you would have had it in a nutshell.

**John Scott** · 10-24-2007, 06:55 AM

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But to say the 'Scary Left' came up with the idea is ridiculous.

The scary Left are the ones who want to do it in America. Never, ever, ever in America have I ever heard one Conservative suggest that the gov't should even consider telling people to teach their children some religious belief that is contrary to the wishes of their parents.

Is that even a defense? If I criticize Hitler for killing Jews, and you going to post that Hitler didn't think it up, Jews were being killed long before Hitler?

**John Scott** · 10-24-2007, 07:01 AM

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On the evening of 23 June 1858, in Bologna, then part of the Papal States, police arrived at the home of a Jewish couple, Salomone ("Momolo") and Marianna Padovani Mortara, to seize one of their eight children, six-year-old Edgardo, and transport him to Rome to be raised by the Catholic Church.

The police had orders from Inquisition authorities in Rome

Do you somehow think that Conservatives in America are friendly with Catholic rule? Do you think American Conservatives support Papal Theocracy, or any other kind of theocracy?

**Rankenstein** · 10-24-2007, 07:10 AM

Who says I'm defending them. I'm just explaining how nutters think. And pointing out that the tactic is an invention of religious people, not the Loony Left.

robert s. · 10-24-2007, 07:14 AM

does it really matter who invented it - cant we just agree, its crazy???