Global Warming is a Hoax

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

I used to wonder that. A rise of 60 cms would see most of the Netherlands disappear, for example.

Not really. Over half the country is already below sea level, but that doesn't mean that it's under water.

[cldnails]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Not really. Over half the country is already below sea level, but that doesn't mean that it's under water.

Says the man living on an island.

[John Scott]

One of my favorite places to hang out is Odaiba Island. It's a man made island in Tokyo Bay. Huge, with skyscrapers on it. Amazing how man can conquer the ocean when doomsday prophets are kicked out of the process.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3...8F%B0%E5%A0%B4

[amanamission]

Whether global warming is a hoax, or simply misunderstood, I think that it is important for all of us to consider how we can be more conscious in our decisions and how they effect the whole world.

[cldnails]

Originally Posted by amanamission

Whether global warming is a hoax, or simply misunderstood, I think that it is important for all of us to consider how we can be more conscious in our decisions and how they effect the whole world.

I think the line is blurred with you, like many others, duped into thinking that if you really care you'll do your part to save the planet. The problem is that the politicians idea of saving the planet involves credits, huge taxes, and sliding money into the pockets of those screaming the sky is falling.

This being said, I'm all for recycling and keeping our Earth clean. But, I should not be made to feel guilty when I'm driving my hard earned big ass suv down the road.

[Rankenstein]

Originally Posted by cldnails

But, I should not be made to feel guilty when I'm driving my hard earned big ass suv down the road.

Yeah, but those things are a pain in town, take up too much space, can't see round them pulling out in traffic etc.

Incidentally and a bit off-topic, next time you're in a town or city, take a look at how much space is given over to road vehicles - it's something you don't really notice until someone points it out - and then you realise it's actually deeply screwy. Or maybe you don't, but I do. Something wrong there, IMO.

[cldnails]

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

Yeah, but those things are a pain in town, take up too much space, can't see round them pulling out in traffic etc.

Incidentally and a bit off-topic, next time you're in a town or city, take a look at how much space is given over to road vehicles - it's something you don't really notice until someone points it out - and then you realise it's actually deeply screwy. Or maybe you don't, but I do. Something wrong there, IMO.

I think motorcycles and bicycles are a pain in town and a threat to more than themselves when weaving in and out of traffic. However, I don't think they should be made to feel guilty for their choices in transportation. Furthermore, I don't think they should be taxed more specifically because they choose an annoying way of travel.

In regards to wear/tear on the road, I pay a premium to drive a larger vehicle every year when I get new license plates.

I'm not directing this so much to you Rankenstein, but more toward the people who think just by driving a hybrid they are saving the earth and damn those who feel otherwise. If these folks really wanted to save the environment they would take more actions than some 'fad' status symbol.

[ajhaveri]

Global Warming a hoax? I think not. This was from FoxNews last Wednesday. If you don't trust the source just do search Google News. Pretty crazy stuff

"Satellite images reveal that a large chunk of the Wilkins ice shelf fell into the ocean sometime around the end of February, suggesting that climate change could be causing it to disintegrate faster than scientists had predicted.

The 160-square-mile piece, about seven times the size of Manhattan, had been attached to Antarctica for hundreds, or maybe even 1,500 years."

[cldnails]

Originally Posted by ajhaveri

Global Warming a hoax? I think not. This was from FoxNews last Wednesday. If you don't trust the source just do search Google News. Pretty crazy stuff

I'm sorry, I can't help but laugh at this, because it's pointed at as PROOF, by those who fall for the hoax. However, whenever we show record cold temperatures and a healing ozone it's not even mentioned or brushed off as not important.

I thought everyone went through the class on Earth Cycles in grade school?

[ajhaveri]

Do you have any links that show record cold temperatures offsetting record high temperatures? For me the question isn't whether this is part a standard process - yes of course, the Earth periodically cools and warms - its whether we are exacerbating the effects of the cycle. I tend to believe that we are. Water vapor produced by airplanes has been show to materially impact surface temperatures. I'd be happy to provide a link to the study.

[cldnails]

Certainly, I can see how it would be missed...since most of the popular social networking sites are filled with flaiming liberals hell bent on burying anything that may contradict their own projection of self worth. (insert breath)

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wcstates.htm
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/11/fl...peratures.html

And my personal favorite.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/artic...NTARY/10575140

These are just a few links I pulled up, but there is plenty more evidence out there, if you look for yourself.

[ajhaveri]

Thanks for the link links cldnails. I'll read through them. Here's a link to an article that you might find interesting.

The final issue involves whether this ‘natural greenhouse gases scenario’ is realistic. Broecker and Stocker demonstrate that massive anthropogenic emissions prior to the industrial era are not plausible. If Ruddiman is correct, that is, if glacial inception was indeed avoided by humans, it must be understood that the ocean exerted a positive feedback on the anthropogenic perturbation. This implies that humans changed the system’s trajectory at the time it was about to enter glacial inception, thereby triggering a chain of feedbacks that sent the system into a long interglacial. We leave open that question, which has potentially large implications on ouru nderstanding of climate system dynamics and its response to orbital forcing.

http://equake.geos.vt.edu/acourses/3...os-climate.pdf

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by ajhaveri

Global Warming a hoax? I think not. This was from FoxNews last Wednesday. If you don't trust the source just do search Google News. Pretty crazy stuff

Joke, or are you serious?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

Yeah, but those things are a pain in town, take up too much space, can't see round them pulling out in traffic etc.

Incidentally and a bit off-topic, next time you're in a town or city, take a look at how much space is given over to road vehicles - it's something you don't really notice until someone points it out - and then you realise it's actually deeply screwy. Or maybe you don't, but I do. Something wrong there, IMO.

Industrialization takes up too much space? Can you see around the empty buses the welfare statists demand that we put out there to "ease congestion"? Yeah, those buses that are actually causing traffic to come to a standstill.

Safety anyone? A semi truck would run over your Prius like a soda can. The American made SUV, on the other hand, gives its occupants a fighting chance.

[Rankenstein]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Industrialization takes up too much space? Can you see around the empty buses the welfare statists demand that we put out there to "ease congestion"? Yeah, those buses that are actually causing traffic to come to a standstill.

Safety anyone? A semi truck would run over your Prius like a soda can. The American made SUV, on the other hand, gives its occupants a fighting chance.

Buses tend to stick to main roads where I'm from, not pootle around narrow residential zones. Also they're private bus companies, it's up to them if they want to run their business inefficiently, and I've got better things to do than make a note of empty buses to help them along. Are you saying you would eliminate public transport to make room for cars? Intriguing! A non-obvious solution for a non-obvious problem plus it has the benefit of never having been tried before.

Also, welfare statists demanding empty buses? First I've heard of it, I'll keep my ears cocked.

I'm in a Golf GTi anyway, so I've probably got enough power to speed away from those "imminent squashed motor" situations - and I don't use it for the commute. Also, in Manchester, buses have their own lanes which you can't go in during peak times, so they don't interfere so much. This means more people use them, so everyone's a winner. Cool beans.

[John Scott]

Also they're private bus companies

Not in the US. In fact, the US has a habit of banning efficient private mass transit in favor of incompetent public mass transit.

Are you saying you would eliminate public transport to make room for cars?

No, I'm saying I'd eliminate your socialist, incompetent, tax-money funded public transportation.

Also, welfare statists demanding empty buses? First I've heard of it, I'll keep my ears cocked.

I thought you were a news junkie, and here you are not aware of a fundamental position of the Liberals. Some of your freak friends want to ban private car ownership.