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View Poll Results: Is truth relative?
Yes, all truth is relative 8 36.36%
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Old 12-11-2007, 04:20 PM   #181 (permalink)
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Really like the second article.
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The researchers believe their experiment demonstrates that the monkeys use a precursor of what investigators of human cognition refer to as declarative knowledge -- knowledge acquired rapidly and logically. This is in contrast to procedural knowledge, which is inflexible and acquired slowly through repetitive training on a particular problem.

"Although the subjects of this study lack the ability to declare their knowledge verbally, the breadth of their serial expertise suggests that they have all of the other features of human declarative knowledge," Professor Terrace said.
Much more scientifically stated, but still not anywhere near logical process. (precursor to, yes; but not there.)

Supposedly it is due to marginal Cajal-Retzius cells. Would be interesting to see a genetically engineered chimp with human levels of Cajal-Retzius cells.
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Old 12-11-2007, 04:37 PM   #182 (permalink)
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Ape to Atom: So, I heard you guys figured out that we are smarter than you. Nice work.

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Old 12-11-2007, 04:39 PM   #183 (permalink)
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Gotta give them credit, they never elected Clinton.
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Old 12-11-2007, 04:50 PM   #184 (permalink)
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Gotta give them credit, they never elected Clinton.
That may only be because we didn't give them pictures to look at. ;
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That may only be because we didn't give them pictures to look at. ;
They probably did see his picture and instinct told them he was full of s**t.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:46 AM   #186 (permalink)
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Gotta give them credit, they never elected Clinton.
But they have managed to get an ape elected the last couple of terms. They learn fast.
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I have an idea, John. We both buy 5 monkeys each. You teach them how to build links. I show them how Google works. You tell them what do do for 4 months and I tell them what keyword I need to rank for within 4 months and see if they figure it out.
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Old 12-12-2007, 10:09 AM   #188 (permalink)
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Could what we believe, in truth, be more important than what we know or think we know?
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My answer would be, yes.

Next question, of course, what are the chances?
Well, I'll stick my neck out and say 50/50.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:55 PM   #189 (permalink)
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Ok I realize that's not sticking my neck out but just posting it is.
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Depends what it is you believe. If you believe daubing yourself with symbols will protect you from bullets, it might be very important if you are going into a gun battle. In that instance, your belief will probably get you killed. Pretty important, I'd say.
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Depends what it is you believe. If you believe daubing yourself with symbols will protect you from bullets, it might be very important if you are going into a gun battle. In that instance, your belief will probably get you killed. Pretty important, I'd say.
Yes, pretty important. It would certainly seem so. But my point would be, what if not being killed isn't actually what is important? I realize that it's logical that it should be important. But what if we are dead wrong about this logical importance of death?

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Death means the end, in logic. Is it actually possible that our logic deceives us? That it in fact is not the end?
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Well I certainly think so, that it's possible, despite all the science in the world. Not only that but I would put it, again, despite all known science, at 50/50.

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The truth is out there, it's not relative. I typed this and that's the simple truth (fact). But what happened (facts) and why it happened (arguement) are two different things.
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It seems pretty straightforward that death is the end. Anything else seems like wishful thinking.
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