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View Poll Results: Is truth relative?
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Yes, all truth is relative
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No, truth exists independent of the speaker
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12-07-2007, 08:31 AM
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Is truth relative?
Let your voice be heard.
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12-07-2007, 10:14 AM
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I think truth is relative.
We all see things from our own perspective. We each have our own truths.
Some truths are evident to most of us, but they are still our own property.
For "the truth" to be independant, that would imply that one or some of us have the authority to decide what is truth for others.
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12-07-2007, 10:56 AM
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This can only be answered on a case by case basis. The question is too broad.
Does an apple fall to the ground if thrown up, yes.
Is the colour red always red, not necessarily. Those who are colour blind see it differently, indeed all are eyes are different, so we all see red differently. But there is an established wave length of visible light that we generally refer to as the colour red.
There are a few things we commonly hold to be true. E.g. KJ has heard it before. 
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12-07-2007, 11:17 AM
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Is the colour red always red, not necessarily.
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Bumble bees, who can see far more colors than we can, see a red rose as a plaid assortment of colors.
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12-07-2007, 11:19 AM
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I think that some objective form of truth must exist, but think it is almost certainly unattainable. The best we can come is an approximation based on our own perceptions. Said perceptions, of course, being significantly enhanced by a good glass of Macallan.
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12-07-2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm
This can only be answered on a case by case basis. The question is too broad.
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Either truth exists, or it doesn't.
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Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm
Is the colour red always red, not necessarily. Those who are colour blind see it differently
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If something is red, it is red no matter who observes it to be red, or indeed, even if nobody observes it at all. |
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12-07-2007, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Zap
For "the truth" to be independant, that would imply that one or some of us have the authority to decide what is truth for others.
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Nobody decides truth, we only observe it.
I can observe that 2+2=4, but I didn't decide that. Nobody did.
And somebody can decide that 2+2=8, and it still won't be the truth.
Truth, IMNSHO, exists independent of who or how it is observed. |
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12-07-2007, 12:15 PM
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In some cases, truth belongs to the aggressor.
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12-07-2007, 12:57 PM
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My mistake I thought it was dependent. lol
Last edited by Kryvast : 12-07-2007 at 01:02 PM.
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12-07-2007, 01:09 PM
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Is it possible to live outside the present?
If it was possible, would truth be void?
Is truth only contained in the present?
Can we establish just what truth is in a single definition?
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12-07-2007, 01:28 PM
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Can we establish just what truth is in a single definition?
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The body of real things, events, and facts. (© 2006-2007 Merriam-Webster, Incorporated) |
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12-07-2007, 01:37 PM
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The body of real things, events, and facts. (© 2006-2007 Merriam-Webster, Incorporated)
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Key word, body. So, by this definition, for truth to even exist, it requires a concrete aspect, correct? |
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12-07-2007, 01:44 PM
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No, truth exists independent of the speaker.
I don't have a lot of grey areas in my life. I look at things in a fairly black and white manner, and that includes truth. It is either the truth or it isn't.
Last edited by Cricket : 12-07-2007 at 02:23 PM.
Reason: typo
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12-07-2007, 01:44 PM
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Key word, body. So, by this definition, for truth to even exist, it requires a concrete aspect, correct?
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The body of knowledge is entirely without a physical, concrete representation, IMO.
Open to interpretation, I guess. |
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12-07-2007, 01:47 PM
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What about unknown truths, do they not exist? (i.e. unbeknownst to us, we do indeed have a part of us that exists beyond death. If it's true, it is an unknown truth.)
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12-07-2007, 01:53 PM
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What about unknown truths, do they not exist? (i.e. unbeknownst to us, we do indeed have a part of us that exists beyond death. If it's true, it is an unknown truth.)
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Since truth is an attribute of expressions of fact, I don't think that a fact can be called a truth unless it is expressed.
So, water is wet, but if nobody says "water is wet", then the attribute neither attaches not fails to attach. <- Is one thought on the subject.
Good question, Atom. |
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12-07-2007, 01:54 PM
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Is hope a valid emotion?
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12-07-2007, 01:58 PM
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Is hope a valid emotion?
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Depends on your definition of valid. It sounds like a moral statement to me, and morality is entirely subjective, IMO.
"Good" and "bad" or "evil" are subject to the definition or purposes of the individual.
If your morality is hedonistic, then sex is most likely "good". If your morality is Christian or Islamic based, sex may be "bad" if it's outside of marriage.
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