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Old 12-18-2007, 07:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Angry Say Goodbye To The Internet As We Know It

Say goodbye to the internet as we know it.

This technology allows your ISP to insert their own content into each and every web page you visit!
Would you allow the post office to insert ads into your Christmas cards?
Would you allow the telephone company to play ads to the people calling your home before they are connected to you?

This is BIG for ISPs. Most of them will want a piece of this because it's lucrative.
Only the companies with morals (oxymoron, I know) and respect for their customers (above potential profits) will be staying away from this.

Don't wait until your ISP decides to "begin testing" this technology.
Call them today. Write them today.
Tell them you want your internet content unmonitored and unaltered.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I see a major backlash against this from a customer perspective, but if big payoffs accrue, the backlash may not matter. Anything that makes someone loads of bucks, and doesn't maim or kill anyone, will inexorably invade.

TV and the web will merge someday, but hopefully a small hole of the "neutral" days will remain. Hopefully.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Google's reaction will be interesting.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Google's reaction will be interesting.
Agreed, but it won't make a difference.
I'm sure there will be lawsuits-a-plenty.
But the bottom line is that the customers being served ads are customers of the ISP, not Google.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:18 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Agreed, but it won't make a difference.
I'm sure there will be lawsuits-a-plenty.
But the bottom line is that the customers being served ads are customers of the ISP, not Google.
I see, so if Google puts up a fuss, ISP may just invade somebody elses page until they achieve success, short of any laws to the contrary being passed in the mean time?
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:21 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The ISP may not even flinch, continuing to serve ads or whatever right on Google's page, along with every other page on the internet.
They will probably try to argue that they can serve whatever content they want.
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The ISP may not even flinch, continuing to serve ads or whatever right on Google's page, along with every other page on the internet.
They will probably try to argue that they can serve whatever content they want.
I wonder how much leverage a TOS would possess in a case like this.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:42 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I wonder how much leverage a TOS would possess in a case like this.
I don't think a TOS would even come into play, Atom.
The TOS is only put in place to spell out their total domination of all things related to their business.
The TOS can, and usually is, changed at will to suit the owner of it.

But the application of the TOS must come from some authority if it is to be enforcable.
That's where I think the battle ground will be.
Does an ISP have the authority to alter the content that it delivers?
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:43 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Google's reaction will be interesting.
Google is already fighting it. This was their response:

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If my ISP ever did this, I'd drop them. They could just as easily send an email, rather than ruining one's web experience.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:49 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Google is already fighting it. This was their response: ...
I missed that. Do you happen to know how old that response is?
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Within the past week or two. I actually wrote about this story at Search Engine Journal last week.... that's why I remembered their response.
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If my ISP ever did this, I'd drop them.
What do you do, though, if the other ISPs follow suit?

There's money to be made. It's hard to imagine they'd stay out of the game for long.
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... Does an ISP have the authority to alter the content that it delivers?
I would hope not.
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:10 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Within the past week or two. I actually wrote about this story at Search Engine Journal last week.... that's why I remembered their response.
Great find Julie for that response....i know google will react on this issue....if the time has time and we said goodbye to internet, we're also saying goodbye to google...
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Within the past week or two. I actually wrote about this story at Search Engine Journal last week.... that's why I remembered their response.
Ok, thanks. I was just wondering how far back in the cave I was, on this issue.

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I agree with Atom, ISP is just an internet service provider that provide us connection not a content that it delivers.


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With Rogers being the ISP testing this, the obvious comparison will be to TV cable companies.
I'll bet your cable company already inserts it's own ads into your stream.
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