9/11 what do you think! - Page 3

Ferre · 01-18-2008, 08:10 AM

No need for your text books John, unlike you, I own two science degrees and do not abandon rational thought to replace it with pseudo philosophical gibberish in an attempt to insult the people I talk with.

Your habit of calling people who have a different opinion than yours "stupid" tells more about you than it does about the people you target with your assumptions and your personal translation of ad hominem is a joke at itself.

In the past I made the mistake of taking your insults personal, but I learned not to do that anymore, I have nothing to prove to people who use disputable debate techniques and who believe that insulting people is an intellectual approach to discussions. Even my youngest kid is smarter than that, maybe I have to send you his text books.

So no, but thanks for the offer.

**John Scott** · 01-18-2008, 08:18 AM

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I own two science degrees and do not abandon rational thought

Surely, you jest. You have never been known to espouse rational thought. You promote irrational paranoia with outlandish conspiracy theory atop of innuendo and rash bigotry.

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your personal translation of ad hominem is a joke at itself.

Actually, the Oxford English Dictionary supports my definition of ad hominem, as does Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Two science degrees, and you don't know the meaning of ad hominem? Naw, either you do know the meaning of ad hominem, or you don't have two science degrees. Which is it?

btcollins · 01-20-2008, 07:02 PM

The Twin Towers were not knock down by terrorists...

It was GODZILLA

They fabricated this Arab terrorists thing to cover it up.

They did not want people to find out GODZILLA really does exists and start a panic!

SERIOUSLY

Part of the problem is that the attackers were kamikaze type suicide pilots

who all died in the attack. That leaves us with nobody to put on trial for it.

The result of that can be wild speculation about who REALLY did it.

I do not know who really did it and that is because they did a good job

of covering their tracks.

seconnection · 01-22-2008, 06:45 PM

the conspiracy theories are absolute rubbish

thegrape1 · 01-22-2008, 09:31 PM

Regardless of who is to blame, it was a gutless, sick thing to do. No matter who was directly responsible, or how you look at it - they WERE terrorists.

dogznbonz · 01-23-2008, 03:28 PM

Does anybody know who the Governor of New York was during 9/11? And did you know his office was moved out of the Area just before the attack?

I thought it was kind of strage that the Mayor of New York was the only one you ever heard about.

Interesting isn't it.

Atom · 01-23-2008, 03:46 PM

Giuliani. Yes I heard something about that move and some others as I recall.

sheeshcabob · 01-23-2008, 04:09 PM

If it was government corruption, don't you think other countries would come out of the haystack with evidence that shows they had something to do with? Excuse me for my ignorance if they have. If thats the case, it would be a Germany/Hitler deal again.

Brian · 01-23-2008, 05:12 PM

termites.

DarthMall · 01-25-2008, 09:52 AM

No one will ever know what really happened, there is little or no remaining forensic evidence to look into the situation ever again.

The US State Department Website points visitors to a Popular Mechanics article to address the possibility of a conspiracy. Something is fishy.

In the wreckage of the buildings, the steel beams were broken diagonally. These cut marks had what looked like molten steel that hardened on the edges indicating that a cutting charge was used. The same way professional demolition teams take down steel framed buildings to collapse into their footprint. Something is fishy.

Molten white-hot steel was flowing before and days after the collapse. Jet fuel can not make rivers of molten steel. Something is fishy.

Too bad there will never be a way to address these issues again, we can only speculate.
It is not outside the realm of possibilities that some branch of government or secret group staged the attack. Look at the NORTHWOODS Documents. One of the plans was to attack a US warship and blame it on the Cubans to gain public support to invade/bomb Cuba.
Something is .....well, you get the point.

DarthMall · 01-25-2008, 09:57 AM

Discrediting a conspiracy theory 'rubbish' is not a valid argument. No matter what position you take, you must be open to alternatives. It's is irresponsible to take everything in life at face value. Sometimes things are more complex than they may seem. Thats all I'm saying.
You must be able to recognize that there are alternative theories and they may or may not be true. If you disagree, that is not enough to say definitively that your stance is correct.
History shows us that all governments are corrupt or have some form of corruption at some level. It's idiotic to fully trust any government to tell the absolute truth.

dogznbonz · 01-25-2008, 10:56 AM

Actually the Governor was George Pataki, which proves my point.

Atom · 01-25-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dogznbonz

Actually the Governor was George Pataki, which proves my point.

So, this is incorrect then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Gi...C_2001_attacks

Brian · 01-25-2008, 11:19 AM

Ghoul was the mayor

dogznbonz · 01-25-2008, 11:30 AM

Look at the article a little closer Giuliani was the Mayor not the Governor.

This is why I posted this because the Governor of New York should have been at the forefront during the attacks but he left it to the lower power of the Mayor, in which everyone believes him to be the Governor. It's kinda funny to me.

Brian · 01-25-2008, 11:30 AM

Either way he's still an ass

joseph.oliver88 · 01-25-2008, 11:31 AM

cnt imagine,, with america's super powers..y wouldnt they know there ws some crazy plane to hit the bldg????

Atom · 01-25-2008, 11:37 AM

Ahhh, ok. Now I see what you meant by post#52. I hadn't realized I'd switched them. Nice one.

Scuba Steve · 01-25-2008, 12:29 PM

DarthMall, i believe you have a valid point, many valid points, yes we will never know and it is a scary though to even consider that it was an inside job, I guess it all depends on how open your mind is to alternate possibilites

**John Scott** · 01-28-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthMall

Discrediting a conspiracy theory 'rubbish' is not a valid argument. No matter what position you take, you must be open to alternatives. It's is irresponsible to take everything in life at face value. Sometimes things are more complex than they may seem.

Openness to alternatives is definitely a virtue, especially in the beginning of an inquiry. Nobody is saying that it isn't.

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Originally Posted by DarthMall

You must be able to recognize that there are alternative theories and they may or may not be true. If you disagree, that is not enough to say definitively that your stance is correct.

After an inquiry has been made, and facts are gathered, some alternative theories will naturally be excluded.

Bob died. How did he die? Did he die from suicide? Was he murdered? Did he die of naturally causes?

Oh there's a video? There's a video of him struggling with an assailant, being stabbed and then shot in the head? And a thousand people were witness to it?

At this point, entertaining the alternative that he died in bed of cancer it no longer a virtue. It's just stupidity.

I can definitively say that anybody entertaining that alternative should be dismissed.

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Originally Posted by DarthMall

History shows us that all governments are corrupt or have some form of corruption at some level. It's idiotic to fully trust any government to tell the absolute truth.

Nobody that I know of is trusting the gov't to tell them the truth. Just because the truth they have arrived at is also the truth that the gov't arrived at doesn't mean that the gov't is the source of that opinion.