Ron Paul's voting record speaks pro freedom volume - Page 2

**South** · 01-26-2008, 07:04 PM

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Ron Paul: "When asked whether individuals should be allowed to own machine guns, Paul responded, "Whether it's an automatic weapon or not is, I think, irrelevant.""

That's just one of the things that makes him a great American

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It's OK if your mentally sick neighbor who spent 30 years in prison for murder can go buy machine guns without a background check?

Now you're hitting on a question that really does define an American problem. Why is my mentally sick neighbor who committed murder out of prison after just 30 years?

Adamantium · 01-26-2008, 07:24 PM

It's a disgrace the way Ron Paul has been squeezed out at times. I really feel that we need to vote third party a lot more to send a message to the corrupt institution.

PocketSEO · 01-26-2008, 08:53 PM

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Now you're hitting on a question that really does define an American problem. Why is my mentally sick neighbor who committed murder out of prison after just 30 years?

Maybe he never spent time in prison -- he's just mentally sick and now has a lot of high-power weapons. The point is that he is "mentally sick", not whether he was in prison or not.

**South** · 01-26-2008, 09:25 PM

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Maybe he never spent time in prison -- he's just mentally sick and now has a lot of high-power weapons. The point is that he is "mentally sick", not whether he was in prison or not.

So we should stifle the rights of citizens in case somebody "sick" is out there? What a pitiful way to live. Sick people, mean people, bad people, can all get guns, build guns, make bombs, make powered projectiles with very little trouble. So law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to arm themselves?

PocketSEO · 01-26-2008, 10:03 PM

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So we should stifle the rights of citizens in case somebody "sick" is out there?

Having rights does not mean the right to do anything. Do you believe in the right to burn the American flag? How about the right to choose to have an abortion? Do you believe in the right to use marijuana for medicinal purposes?

Civilians have no need for fully automatic machine guns or rocket launchers. A society where those kinds of weapons are culturally acceptable would not be a good one.

**South** · 01-26-2008, 11:18 PM

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Having rights does not mean the right to do anything.

If it affects nobody else and doesn't demoralize society as a whole....why not? Existence of / ownership of something doesn't hurt anyone. There are already laws against using them irresponsibly or destructively.

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Do you believe in the right to burn the American flag?

That's your personal choice so long as you're willing to face the guy you personally tick off about it. Burning a symbol is confrontational. Don't whine when you get confronted.

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How about the right to choose to have an abortion?

Not as long as you can do it without hurting the baby.

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Do you believe in the right to use marijuana for medicinal purposes?

At least be honest. The "medical marijuana" crowd has very little concern about anything medical. I actually don't care the way I used to. People want to burn their own minds up, let 'em unless it turns into a problem.

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Civilians have no need for fully automatic machine guns or rocket launchers. A society where those kinds of weapons are culturally acceptable would not be a good one.

People have no "need" for Pez dispensers. You're talking extremes. Very few people would want a rocket launcher as it would be extremely expensive and useless for pretty much anything. Most people are sane. Most crazy people can't afford rocket launchers. Those who can don't base purchasing decisions on the legality of the weapon.

Atom · 01-27-2008, 05:42 AM

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... At least be honest. The "medical marijuana" crowd has very little concern about anything medical. I actually don't care the way I used to. People want to burn their own minds up, let 'em unless it turns into a problem. ...

I think the reason you don't care the way you used to may be because, deep down, you know you're wrong, and you possibly realize that we were wrong to ever prohibit it in the first place.

**South** · 01-27-2008, 07:41 AM

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I think the reason you don't care the way you used to may be because, deep down, you know you're wrong, and you possibly realize that we were wrong to ever prohibit it in the first place.

There's just so much mixed information about it. If it's true that 1) There's no evidence that it's a gateway drug, 2) It doesn't increase a persons potential to commit crime then yes, it only affects the user...so I don't care if it's legal or not. There's just the two sided "yes it does" "no it doesn't" argument going on. I have no idea who's right.

I know that almost 100% of the people I grew up with who smoked it went on to harder drugs. I also know that I didn't and never even had an inclination to, so it needs to be left up to people smarter than me.

Legal or not I think it's a bad choice for the individual, but government has no business in peoples choices if they're only effecting the person making the choice.

PocketSEO · 01-27-2008, 07:37 PM

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That's your personal choice so long as you're willing to face the guy you personally tick off about it. Burning a symbol is confrontational. Don't whine when you get confronted.

So you are saying that burning the American flag is a right?

**South** · 01-27-2008, 07:46 PM

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So you are saying that burning the American flag is a right?

People burn it every day. When one touches the ground it's proper etiquette to burn it. Those who burn it out of disrespect....what can you say about people like that?

Atom · 01-27-2008, 07:58 PM

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There's just so much mixed information about it. If it's true that 1) There's no evidence that it's a gateway drug, ...

A what? What's that?

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2) It doesn't increase a persons potential to commit crime ...

Correct, it doesn't.

So what's the problem? What's with the if? Why don't you know?

Atom · 01-27-2008, 08:06 PM

You're no spring chicken, I should think you would've figured this stuff out by now.

Atom · 01-27-2008, 08:15 PM

I hope you're not the type falling for that horsecrap propaganda they spew on network TV, like with that girl that has her dog telling her he likes her better when she's not stoned and etc. Those TV spots are the type of propaganda that keeps the illegal marijuana trade alive and well in this country. But, I'm sure you realize that.

PocketSEO · 01-27-2008, 08:26 PM

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Those who burn it out of disrespect....what can you say about people like that?

I'm not asking you what you think about it; I'm asking you if it's a right.

Atom · 01-27-2008, 08:32 PM

Yeah, that TV propaganda makes me sick. It fools people into thinking that marijuana is a bad drug. I'm really pissed about that.

**South** · 01-27-2008, 08:52 PM

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I hope you're not the type falling for that horsecrap propaganda they spew on network TV, like with that girl that has her dog telling her he likes her better when she's not stoned and etc.

Cmon. That's a cute dog. All I'm saying is that I've seen reports on both sides and both swear they're the correct one. I'm not a user so I've never really studied it with much care. If it came to a state level vote here like it did in <accent="Arnorld">California</accent> I'd give it more consideration. As it stands it doesn't matter what I believe.

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I'm not asking you what you think about it; I'm asking you if it's a right.

In our republic rights are defined by Constitutional law. There is no federal law prohibiting flag burning but many states, including my state of Georgia, do have one. I honor state law above federal, so no...here you do not have the right to burn a flag, though I expect the supreme court would protect you if you were willing to take it that far for a misdemeanor.

The thing is that it shouldn't even be an issue. Basic human decency should prohibit people from burning something that symbolizes what people hold dear. It takes a very specific personality to do that.

PocketSEO · 01-27-2008, 08:56 PM

sorry... started to post a reply, and hit "send" accidentally. Nothing more to add at the moment though...

**South** · 01-27-2008, 09:33 PM

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You're no spring chicken, I should think you would've figured this stuff out by now.

That didn't strike me as funny til just now. I'm old. They come to me slower these days.