Who will be your next president?

[Rankenstein]

Originally Posted by John Scott

http://www.break.com/index/the-truth...in-bosnia.html

That's great!

[m42]

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

I think the Republicans could do with some idiot-proofing, judging by the idiot that got in last time

I'm intrigued by that statement. What has led you to believe Bush is an idiot?

[gommer683]

I'm thinking it's going to be Hilary.

[m42]

Originally Posted by John Scott

http://www.break.com/index/the-truth...in-bosnia.html

Tee hee:

“Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who has been accused in recent days of padding her foreign policy rèsumè while First Lady, admitted today that she may have exaggerated about an encounter she said she had with al-Qaeda terror mastermind Osama bin Laden in 1998. In an appearance on NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ on Sunday, Sen. Clinton told host Tim Russert, ‘I wrestled bin Laden in his cave in 1998 and had him pinned to the ground before the bastard got away.’ But a review of Sen. Clinton’s official White House schedule from that period revealed that the then-First Lady was nowhere in the vicinity of Mr. bin Laden on that day, but was instead greeting a group of honor roll students at Disney World in Orlando. ‘I may have misspoke about what went on that particular day,’ Sen. Clinton said today. ‘But it was a very busy time for me, what with having that knife-fight with Kim Jong-Il and all.’ Reporters peppered Sen. Clinton’s new press spokesman with questions about another purported exploit of hers, in which the senator claimed that she and a ragtag team of blue-collar drillers deflected an asteroid on a collision course with the Earth.” —Andy Borowitz

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by m42

Tee hee:

“Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who has been accused in recent days of padding her foreign policy rèsumè while First Lady, admitted today that she may have exaggerated about an encounter she said she had with al-Qaeda terror mastermind Osama bin Laden in 1998. In an appearance on NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ on Sunday, Sen. Clinton told host Tim Russert, ‘I wrestled bin Laden in his cave in 1998 and had him pinned to the ground before the bastard got away.’ But a review of Sen. Clinton’s official White House schedule from that period revealed that the then-First Lady was nowhere in the vicinity of Mr. bin Laden on that day, but was instead greeting a group of honor roll students at Disney World in Orlando. ‘I may have misspoke about what went on that particular day,’ Sen. Clinton said today. ‘But it was a very busy time for me, what with having that knife-fight with Kim Jong-Il and all.’ Reporters peppered Sen. Clinton’s new press spokesman with questions about another purported exploit of hers, in which the senator claimed that she and a ragtag team of blue-collar drillers deflected an asteroid on a collision course with the Earth.” —Andy Borowitz

LOL!

[robmac]

cant we have bill cosby

[Rankenstein]

Originally Posted by m42

I'm intrigued by that statement. What has led you to believe Bush is an idiot?

His handling of the situation (pick a situation, any situation). Such as:

Appointing a man whose qualifications are, basically, running a rodeo and being a crony, to head the national disaster agency (FEMA is it?).

other keywords tied in to his lack of brain:

Mission Accomplished.

Bring it on.

WMD

Loads of things, take your pick as I say.

[m42]

Your response is quite fashionable.

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FEMA -
Mike Brown was acting Director of Fema long before Bush appointed him to the position. He was appointed to the position of acting Director by his predecessor Joe Allbaugh.

When managing a large team, do you manage all actions taken by every individual on that team, or do you appoint and rely on someone with a shared vision to handle the day to day operations?

Bush responded to the recommendation like any other person would have. Life isn't perfect, bad eggs turn up on occasion.

I consider the idiots to be the people who knew their levees would not withstand a direct Cat 5 hit and still chose to stay. Those people consciously chose to defy all requests by the very same administration to evacuate. To add insult to injury, they consciously chose to whine about it when they realized they were up to their shoulders in deep sit and seawater. The nation forgave them their mistakes and took them in. Any idea why the world is still blaming Bush for their stupidity?

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"Mission Accomplished" was simply an end to the conventional "major combat" phase of the Iraq War. The media doesn't always differentiate between injury and death. They are all casualties. How many of those casualties were accidents? Why not factor in the number of Iraqi's who are killed by their own people. How many car or suicide bombs have been detonated in Iraqi markets? How many children have been set aflame by insurgents? The media took at most a passing interest in these events before we invaded. Now they blame Bush. There is always more work to do.

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"Bring 'em on"
The sooner we kill them, the better. Those weapons are 'spensive and inflation's a btch!

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Show me any non-tampered statement from Bush that definitively states Iraq has WMD.

Are you a media junky?

[Atom]

Wasn't it the vice president that said that? And the secretary of state or defense or someone?

[Brian]

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

His handling of the situation (pick a situation, any situation). Such as:

Appointing a man whose qualifications are, basically, running a rodeo and being a crony, to head the national disaster agency (FEMA is it?).

other keywords tied in to his lack of brain:

Mission Accomplished.

Bring it on.

WMD

Loads of things, take your pick as I say.

You've always been my favorite poster. Greenery for you sir

edit: it appears i give you green too much, so pretend that it allows me to give you green

[Rankenstein]

Originally Posted by m42

Your response is quite fashionable.

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FEMA -
Mike Brown was acting Director of Fema long before Bush appointed him to the position. He was appointed to the position of acting Director by his predecessor Joe Allbaugh.

When managing a large team, do you manage all actions taken by every individual on that team, or do you appoint and rely on someone with a shared vision to handle the day to day operations?

Allbaugh ran Bush's 2000, campaign and Bush re-nominated Brown for the post personally.

Anyone I hire, I picked them and I take responsibility for what goes on in the office ultimately - which means if someone that I've left to do a job makes a mistake, I take responsibility for it, for not checking. And I did that exactly that last week, FWIW. But then that's me, some people just pretend it's nothing to do with them any more.

Originally Posted by m42

I consider the idiots to be the people who knew their levees would not withstand a direct Cat 5 hit and still chose to stay. Those people consciously chose to defy all requests by the very same administration to evacuate. To add insult to injury, they consciously chose to whine about it when they realized they were up to their shoulders in deep sit and seawater. The nation forgave them their mistakes and took them in. Any idea why the world is still blaming Bush for their stupidity?

Idiot quotes of the day:
"Brownie's doing a heck of a job"
"I don’t think anyone anticipated a breach of the levees."
- Dubya

Originally Posted by m42

"Mission Accomplished" was simply an end to the conventional "major combat" phase of the Iraq War.

No, "Mission Accomplished" was Bush pretending to be Maverick, playing the hero on an aircraft carrier.

Originally Posted by m42

Show me any non-tampered statement from Bush that definitively states Iraq has WMD.

Are you a media junky?

Two of many:

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."
George W. Bush, Radio Address 10/5/2002

"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
George W. Bush, Cincinnati, Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

I read the Times every day, I don't know if that makes me a media junky.

Oh, and as always, add your own s to the post where appropriate. Sometimes I feel a bit mean bashing Bush, because it's just too easy. He's easily on the 'Worst Presidents Ever' shortlist.

[John Scott]

No, "Mission Accomplished" was Bush pretending to be Maverick, playing the hero on an aircraft carrier.

Projecting your own thoughts or feelings on others? To some, it appeared to be a president commending the armed forces for toppling Saddam.

And Clinton easily ranks above Bush as worst president. His retreat from Mogadishu impressed upon Al-Qaeda that Americans are a bunch a pussies and all you have to do is kill a few of them and they'll beg for mercy and do whatever you want.

[valin]

I think the mythology of Barack will fade and McCain will sneak in.

[Will.Spencer]

What? No one here old enough to remember Jimmy Carter?

With Jimmy in the ring, there's no one else who can compete for "worst President ever."

[m42]

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

Allbaugh ran Bush's 2000, campaign and Bush re-nominated Brown for the post personally.

Anyone I hire, I picked them and I take responsibility for what goes on in the office ultimately - which means if someone that I've left to do a job makes a mistake, I take responsibility for it, for not checking. And I did that exactly that last week, FWIW. But then that's me, some people just pretend it's nothing to do with them any more.

I thought about this one for a bit. Strangely, I can actually speak from experience. For the past couple of years I managed 5 massive efforts simultaneously at a Fortune 100 Corporation. I had 50+ direct reports in six countries and worked 80-100 hour weeks. I knew pretty early into the projects that if I was ever going to succeed (and sleep) I’d have to rely more on the team leads to manage their individual groups. This system worked out well. I learned to trust the leads I’d selected. They interacted closely with their teams on a daily basis. I was often unable to do that. When my team leads made recommendations, I listened. I grilled them, I met the recommended resources. I grilled them.

Yes, I made mistakes. Yes, my teams made mistakes. Yes, I took responsibility for everyone’s mistakes.

I can’t imagine doing that on a grand scale.

Bush Jr. has appointed over 9,000 people during his terms in office.

Source: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/plumbook/2004/p213-215_appendix1.pdf.

Do you honestly think he has time to micromanage every last one of them? Why not cut Bush Jr. a bit of slack?

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

No, "Mission Accomplished" was Bush pretending to be Maverick, playing the hero on an aircraft carrier.

John is my new hero. – nothing to see here, move along….

WMDs:

I asked for non-tampered quotes. You have effectively confirmed my suspicions that you’ve fallen victim to the liberal media. This saddens me a bit, but I’ll address your response regardless:

Quote 1:

Here is the quote you provided:

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."
George W. Bush, Radio Address 10/5/2002

Here is the original address
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021005.html

Here is the actual quote:

“In defiance of pledges to the United Nations, Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. Saddam Hussein has used these weapons of death against innocent Iraqi people, and we have every reason to believe he will use them again.”

I do not see:

“We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

If he said it, it wasn’t during this radio address. Whether or not he said it is completely irrelevant, there aren’t many reasons to add the second statement to the first out of context. I think the end result here is obvious.

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Quote 2:

Here is the quote you provided:

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
George W. Bush, Cincinnati, Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

Here is the original address:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

If you keep reading, you’ll see:
He has ordered chemical attacks on Iran, and on more than forty villages in his own country. These actions killed or injured at least 20,000 people, more than six times the number of people who died in the attacks of September the 11th."

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So what exactly was your motive here? To deny that Saddam Hussein’s regime produced massive quantities of chemical and biological agents?

My two scents --
Both quotes allude quite strongly to historical events. In the past three decades, Iraq has started at least two wars and decimated its own population. They had chemical and biological warfare programs running full blast throughout the 80’s and into the 90’s. They have repetitively used these chemical and biological weapons against their own people.

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There are many reasons behind the invasion of Iraq. WMD’s were the focus of the media because they preyed upon people’s lack of historical knowledge. And it appears to have worked, not only in my country, but in yours. Here are the stated reasons behind the invasion:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/03/20080319-2.html

[gridsix]

Originally Posted by m42

I'm intrigued by that statement. What has led you to believe Bush is an idiot?

Here's your proof.

This is a comical take on why he is an idiot. There are the more serious issues of destroying our nation (economics, foreign policy, Iraq)... But this was a post about the 2008 elections.

Here's how the candidates rank when comparing their website traffic via the fun (but inaccurate) compete.com.