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View Poll Results: Should States Secede from the Union?
Yes 6 40.00%
No 7 46.67%
No Opinion 2 13.33%
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:55 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I'd imagine the gubment would want to keep them, somehow.
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Old 03-11-2008, 10:02 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Well I'm thinking globalist agenda now. This is confusing.
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Money rules I guess.
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Yeah, heh heh, very cut and thrust
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I voted no, but I always thought that this country was actually ran by an Oligarchy. You know like the Illuminata? Where most of our government’s real power is held by an elite group of people.

I just want to know where I can find these guys -I could use a better job.
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I'm all for unity, but you have to have an arena where it can exist. America has done so well because, with the occasional exception, it consisted of people who could overlook a lot of differences because the common ground was so strong. I've always said that the cold war was good for America because it helped provide a strong common ground.

We've come to the point now that our differences are becoming stronger than our agreements. We disagree on more passionate things than tax rates. We hold entirely different views on what the future of America should look like and are wholly dedicated to completely different ideas. Granted, we've been there before even when the founding fathers were at the helm, but the country has become so centered around the federal entity that people are no longer happy just advancing their vision in their own state, but expect that to spill onto the people of every other state as well. This only increases division between people. How can we claim unity in that environment? We can't.

So if strength truly lies in unity and weakness in division, then America has to have at least enough separation state by state so that people can respect the decisions of others without feeling that they're beliefs are being imposed on. How many couples do you know that made a great team as friends but broke apart when married? Weren't they stronger when they weren't quite so unified?

I'm not talking about a need to change the Constitution, but a need to return to following it. State sovereignty and individualism isn't some new age idea, it's the basis of the union. So yes, I say either give original constitutional separation to the states, and mandate a rollback of federal power and influence to it's original constitutional state. If that can be done we can replace our modern animosity with unity. If it can't be done, then do whatever it takes to bring the same result...even secession. Otherwise we'll stay on the same track we're on and eventually tear the whole thing down.

The reason for America wasn't to secure the power of the union. The union was established to provide security for the states.
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