Global Warming and the End Of The World....

[John Scott]

effect of rising sea levels at the end of the last ice-age on then population

Assuming cause and effect isn't too smart. The human population was no doubt less than current population, but assuming that the cause of that was the ocean level would be pretty ridiculous.

[Rankenstein]

We can be sure that loads of people died in the coastal areas - but then the rate of change was greater, there were more catastrophic bursts of melt water from the glaciers. Also, you wouldn't believe the flooding from the Himalayan lakes that built up behind ice sheets. When the ice sheet barrier holding the lakes melted, well, you can guess the rest.

So you can't really compare what would happen now, with what happened then.

[mit]

I don't know why all that atomic experiments had taken off and still going on...

[StrongInTheArm]

My apologies, I was being too smart or perhaps not smart enough. The point I was failing to make was that unlike when sea levels previously rose, today we have a very much larger non-nomadic population/civilisation. As sea levels rise coastal populations will be displaced, as indeed will areas around the equators which will become dryer and less available for agriculture.

For example, Bangladesh is flooded frequently as things stand now. What will happen if that many people have to move? Who is going to take them in?

[John Scott]

As sea levels rise coastal populations will be displaced

Huh? As sea levels rise slower than a snail crawls, people will be displaced? The sea level has been rising for hundreds of years, even in America, and how many displaced people do you hear of? None. Because it is so slow and gradual, people have ample time to make adjustments.

And global warming hasn't occurred in ten years now, which seriously brings into question the whole AGW theory.

[thegamerslink]

I seem to remember back in high school biology class a couple chapters covering the subjects environmental adaptation, and survival of the fittest....now I'm not sure on this but I think that it's pretty much a proven fact that the planet Earth is in a constant state of change.
Along with that it also experiences cycles in it's climate. It's also a fact that there are no written records with the scientific understanding that we ,the modern man, can relate to that describes the global conditions for longer than a few hundred years, actually less than 200 on a global and accurate scale. So what is it that we can really base any kind of theory on?
I mean I remember in '78 most of the U.S. was hit with one of the largest blizzards anyone could ever remember people in cities and towns were snowed in and without power for days and weeks. During that time we were told a new Ice Age was right around the corner, then a few years past with moderate or warm winters. Then in '81-'82 there was another large cold winter and blizzard. People in Atlanta Georgia were literally abandoning their vehicles in the middle of the Interstates and walking home because the ice was so bad. Now before those times I don't really recall anything out of the ordinary, it was cold in the winter and warm/hot in the summer just like it was supposed to be as far as I was concerned as a kid. In the 1920's I believe it was, there was a flood around Lake Okeechobee in Florida that killed hundreds due to rains and I believe hurricanes causing a levee to be built around the lake, by the 50's there was a year the Lake reached the lowest level ever recorded. Then another 50 years past with average lake levels then it again reached a level that was the lowest in 50 years, the next year they had to lower the levels because they were to high, a couple years later it was at it's lowest level on written record again....of course you have to take into account as well that Man has a hand in dictating the lake's level and sometimes they lower the level thinking something is going to happen, such as the worst hurricane year on record which if not mistaken was the prediction for last years hurricane season that was actually one of the lightest seasons I remember.
Then there are the earth samples, I don't guess we should really pay attention to these, I mean how accurate can the earth be explaining to us what it's done over the last 20 or 30 thousand years?? It's a proven fact that there have been near regular cycles recorded in the earth itself.
We as humans will adapt to climate changes and changes in the geographical layout of this planet, even with a growing population. If the eco-nuts have their way we won't be able to as there will be no modern science or no modern technology of most any kind still in use. This is the very thing allowing us to make less of an impact on our surroundings and at the same time adapt to the changes taking place.
Just over the last couple hundred years there have been drastic changes in the geography in our planet, formation of new islands, extentions of land mass, disappearance of land masses etc etc etc and this will continue to take place until the earth starts to reach the age that it stops changing and starts turning into a dead planet but that is millions of years off saving us getting hit with a massive rock from space or the moon exploding, or any of the other things that could be considered global killers........I know I rattled on about all types of things, I hope you are able to follow along as it's pretty much all included in the same idea.....

[m42]

*Warning: This article is a bit dramatic.*

THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity.

What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...013480,00.html

Props to will.spencer.

[John Scott]

Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.

If I were a socialist global warming promoter, I'd say that this is definitive proof that the earth if actually warming.

[3ncryptabl3_lick]

I'm building a boat from old computer parts, tin cans and lead based paint... Who want's in?

[zeruel]

Well I think it is not Global Warming that would end the world... But as for the record:

WASHINGTON - Planet Earth continues to run a fever. Last month was the warmest March on record over land surfaces of the world and the second warmest overall worldwide. For the United States, however, it was just an average March, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

NOAA's National Climatic Data Center said high temperatures over much of Asia pulled the worldwide land temperature up to an average of 40.8 degrees Fahrenheit, 3.2 degrees warmer than the average in the 20th century.

While Asia had its greatest January snow cover this year, warm March readings caused a rapid melt and March snow cover on the continent was a record low.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24228033/


Many people also debates about this issue that there is a Sun-Link with Global Warming...

The connection between solar activity and global warming has been a contentious issue for a long time. The idea that cosmic rays create global cloud cover just doesn't seem to be working out; even the highest estimates of cloud cover variation caused by cosmic ray flux predict the effect to be very small. Now UK scientists have stepped into the debate, producing scientific evidence that there is no link between global warming, cosmic rays and solar activity. Sorry global warming sceptics, we might have to cut back on the emissions after all…

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/04...ng/#more-13467

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by zeruel

Global Warming

Do you mean global cooling? Global warming hasn't occurred since 1998.

[zeruel]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Do you mean global cooling?

Eleven of the last twelve years (1995-2006) rank among the twelve warmest years in the instrumental record of global surface temperature (since 1850).

It is very likely that over the past 50 years: cold days, cold nights and frosts have become less frequent over most land areas, and hot days and hot nights have become more frequent. It is likely that: heat waves have become more frequent over most land areas, the frequency of heavy precipitation events has increased over most areas, and since 1975 the incidence of extreme high sea level3 has increased worldwide.

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-re...r4_syr_spm.pdf

[John Scott]

Eleven of the last twelve years (1995-2006) rank among the twelve warmest years in the instrumental record of global surface temperature (since 1850).

Indeed. Which only means that those years were warmer (fractionally) than the period that proceeded.

From 1998, the global temperature has been declining or flat, depending on the way you graph it.

This is important. Why? Because science works on a principle of falsifiability.

For a statement to be scientifically meaningful, it has to be falsifiable. So if somebody says human-generated GHG emissions cause global warming, we can apply the principle of falsifiability. That is, we can say that increased greenhouse gas emissions should result in higher global temperatures.

Unfortunately for the AGW folks, greenhouse gas emissions are skyrocketing, but global temperatures aren't.

That, my friend, is AGW falsified.

[zeruel]

Originally Posted by John Scott

From 1998, the global temperature has been declining or flat, depending on the way you graph it.

This is important. Why? Because science works on a principle of falsifiability.

For s statement to be scientifically meaningful, it has to be falsifiable. So if somebody says human-generated GHG emissions cause global warming, we can apply the principle of falsifiability. That is, we can say that increased greenhouse gas emissions should result in higher global temperatures.

Unfortunately for the AGW folks, greenhouse gas emissions are skyrocketing, but global temperatures aren't.

That, my friend, is AGW falsified.

Good point Sir. But what about the statistics of IPCC? You consider it falsifiable?

[John Scott]

But what about the statistics of IPCC?

IPCC has the same statistics that everybody else has, which show that global warming hasn't occurred since 98.

[zeruel]

Originally Posted by John Scott

IPCC has the same statistics that everybody else has, which show that global warming hasn't occurred since 98.

Oh well...

[Jacob34]

Your all crazy this has been shown that this has happened many times time before and there were no flood or people catching on fire in there back yard due to "Its To Hot" we will all be fine. It will happen now and it will happen again we will be fine