Abolish Public Schools

[John Scott]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/...abolished.html

Interesting article by Lew Rockwell.

[m42]

Interesting, but a tad idealistic.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by m42

Interesting, but a tad idealistic.

This marriage is never going to work if you don't get on board with my idealism.

[m42]

Do you believe the bottom 50% of the population is going to allow us to make it to phase II?

Originally Posted by John Scott

This marriage is never going to work if you don't get on board with my idealism.

Whatever was I thinking!

* m42 whistles If I only had a brain.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by m42

Do you believe the bottom 50% of the population is going to allow us to make it to phase II?

We need an individualist nation on this earth, to set an example for others to follow. Then maybe we'd make some progress towards a laissez fair, small government society.

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[m42]

Originally Posted by John Scott

We need an individualist nation on this earth, to set an example for others to follow. Then maybe we'd make some progress towards a laissez fair, small government society.

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I agree.

Wanna buy an island in international waters or are we talking revolt?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by m42

I agree.

Wanna buy an island in international waters or are we talking revolt?

http://www.v7n.com/forums/politics/8...overnment.html

I think each state should leave the Union, and then we'd have a better chance of getting at least one to go the individualist route.

[m42]

OK. Let's go down that path.

Theoretically, what do you believe it will take to move this country away from over-governed police state to mature laissez-faire nation?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by m42

OK. Let's go down that path.

Theoretically, what do you believe it will take to move this country away from over-governed police state to mature laissez-faire nation?

I think we're getting there now. The police state / welfare state will bankrupt the nation. It probably already has, if we figure in the national debt. Another huge recession and people will refuse to allow the welfare statists to bankrupt the country and retake it.

[m42]

With one of three *democrats slated to be president for the next four years we're definitely looking at a downward spiral. I guess we'll see what comes of it. I hope you're right.


*m42 hops aboard John's idealism bandwagon.
* There is no way in hell I'm considering McCain a Republican.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by m42

* There is no way in hell I'm considering McCain a Republican.

So true. He might as well be a Democrat.

[thegamerslink]

I see some very serious problems with that story

But do they? Murray N. Rothbard's Education: Free and Compulsory explains that the true origin and purpose of public education is not so much education as we think of it, but indoctrination in the civic religion. This explains why the civic elite is so suspicious of homeschooling and private schooling: it's not fear of low test scores that is driving this, but the worry that these kids aren't learning the values that the state considers important.

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Entrepreneurs will quickly flood into the area to provide schools on a competitive basis. Churches and other civic institutions will gather the money to provide education.

You're simply removing the civic doctrination and replacing it with a religious or business oriented indoctrination and not so easily controlled as to what may come as a result. I mean the results may be a brighter more thoughtful and intelligent student on the other hand it may be a more spiteful or cold hearted type there's no real way to say. Most high end prep school graduate types aren't well known for their history of love and compassion. In fact many of them have been the most sadistic cold hearted types that have entered our society or in the very least elitist that rather than finding bonds with fellow man thinks themselves to good for such things.....please don't get me wrong, I know this isn't always the case and some of the greatest people in history have come from prep schools....just trying to make a point.....I am lucky, I live in a small town, my daughter is going to a school that is bringing back that teaching styles and things that I did when I went to school, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, help your fellow man, be proud of your country...etc etc....also this particular school has taken my daughter that when she first entered kindergarten for some reason could not talk very well and we struggled a lot to over come, they have worked with her in the last 2 years and now she talks beautifully though with a southern accent thanks to her speech teacher (LoL) and now she's being tested to be put into the advanced student program in just 2 short years.

Our problems aren't due to public schools, or the lack of an individualistic state it's mostly due to a sociological breakdown across many different areas in our society and the refusal of any party to do any thing about it. Due mostly to the fact of one of the largest problems which is the unwillingness to accept personal responsibility for anything that isn't beneficial...I know that's human nature to many, but it's worse and on a wider scale than it ever has been....and two of the main reasons are the lazy parenting syndrome( parenting only when you have no other choice, if you're not being bothered then don't pay attention) And school systems that have weakened themselves to the point that they have no ability to discipline the students they teach taking away one of the largest lessons kids learn at both home and school...or at least used to when I was a kid....I'm getting lost in my thought so I'm going to break here and maybe regain later....hopefully I made some type of point.....the quickness to separate is usually a bad thing, history has shown time and time again that team work and working together has shown a better outcome more times than not...

[m42]

1. Freedom of choice is never bad.
2. Intelligence is only a negative if you are recruited by SPECTRE. And in that instance, I'm certain someone will still appreciate it.
3. They would be no more "spiteful or cold hearted" in private schools than in public school. Schools aren't responsible for such behaviour, parents and the individuals in question are.

[Rankenstein]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Abolish Public Schools

Huh, in the UK we call we refer to 'private schools' as 'public schools' - dunno why. In case you think I'm yanking your crank: http://www.publicschools.co.uk/

So I thought that John was calling for the abolition of fee-paying schools. I went to one of the best public schools in the UK - Manchester Grammar School - in fact, when I was there it was the best in the UK, according to The Times. I can't take any credit for that though.

Soooo - we pay for education with taxes anyway, what's to stop people paying for their own private schools directly? Well, just off the top of my head, I think it would fragment society even more. You'd get muslim parents sending their kids to muslim schools, mormon parents sending their kids to mormon schools, mexican families sending their kids to mexican schools (and that's just social groupings starting with 'm').

I think you could still work it by making certain teachings compulsory within the system - but how do you make a Mormon school teach evolution? Their students would be turned out filled with a dunce's-eye view of the world and science, and do we really want that?

In principle, paying for education is fine, but how do you know what is the right sort of education? Is it for anyone to say? Who has the right to decide? Is it only the parents who decide? What if they are Aryan Supremacists, Christian fundamentalists, Amish, think their kids should be sent to a private madrasa, believe their kids' schooling should reflect and support the fact that the South is gonna rise again?

So, nothing wrong with the idea in principle, but in practice I can see some pitfalls (pratfalls?).

[m42]

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

Well, just off the top of my head, I think it would fragment society even more. You'd get muslim parents sending their kids to muslim schools, mormon parents sending their kids to mormon schools, mexican families sending their kids to mexican schools (and that's just social groupings starting with 'm').

I think most people are too lazy to do that. They'll likely just send their kids to the closest schools.

[jdspc]

Originally Posted by m42

I think most people are too lazy to do that. They'll likely just send their kids to the closest schools.

What is the biggest issue in the US? (see above)

Probably shouldn't have included the whole quote because the crux of the bisquit lies within 'too lazy'...

Too Lazy!
Child: 'Dad can we go to the park?'
Dad: No son, there are too many black people there, just sit here and watch me play the Xbox I got you for xmas'...

Child: 'Mom...what is this blood here?'
Mom: 'I'm gonna have a talk wit dem teachas at dat schoo you goin to'


No, Not all of the world is as stupid but it seems that the ones above yell and scream to an extent that we change rules and regs to 'keep them quiet'...shhhh
Then we subsequently change patterns of basic human existence to accommodate idiots.

Public Schools?
Freakin Day Care in the US.


By the way...when did throwin yer kid in the pool to teach him to swim become illegal?


grrrrrr