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Old 05-18-2008, 01:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Why go for the home run every time when singles and doubles (sorry for the American baseball analogy here)? If we start with simply energy conservation measures that reduce energy consumption in our own homes we both save money and make the total global non-renewable energy resources last longer.

It can be as simply as one CFL bulb, having an energy audit done on one's own home to see what specific measures can be done, or even trying something inexpensive and different like exterior solar blinds on the east, west and south facing windows to significantly reduce the heat build up from the sun's UV rays in the summer (reduced our's by 15 degrees F). Or, how about a solar charged lawn mower?

Everyone does have wads of cash around to by a new diesel or hybrid vehicle. Start small and see where it takes you.

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Old 05-18-2008, 01:30 PM   #22 (permalink)
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veggie car in action!

I bought an '85 mercedes station wagon and used a lovecraft conversion kit to convert to running on pure filtered waste vegetable oil (my husband did the conversion in a couple of hours)

So now we run around smelling like a Long John Silvers and my 2004 mercedes is in the garage LOL. I usually put 20,000 miles or more a year on my car and this has been a big savings.

As an aside, I think there is enough oil to last 100+ years or more in the gulf of Mexico and in Alaska. It really is a mystery to me why we don't drill for oil in these area and refine our own fuels......

Oh, and go nuclear power! The French seem to have plenty of luck with that......
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Old 05-18-2008, 01:37 PM   #23 (permalink)
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As an aside, I think there is enough oil to last 100+ years or more in the gulf of Mexico and in Alaska. It really is a mystery to me why we don't drill for oil in these area and refine our own fuels......
Think of the Caribou!

/sarcasm

Seriously, there is plenty of oil beneath American soil to last several generations into the future and tapping into those resources now could help our economy now. But don't get me wrong, I'm all for energy conservation, but I think it's a freakin crock to be made to feel guilty just because I like my internal combustion SUV's and refuse to hug any trees.
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Old 05-18-2008, 05:06 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Think of the Caribou!

/sarcasm

Seriously, there is plenty of oil beneath American soil to last several generations into the future and tapping into those resources now could help our economy now. But don't get me wrong, I'm all for energy conservation, but I think it's a freakin crock to be made to feel guilty just because I like my internal combustion SUV's and refuse to hug any trees.
That's a lie. The US has 21 billion barrels of proven oil reserves. In 2006, the US consumed 20.588 million barrels of oil each DAY, which equals 7.5 billion barrels of oil a year. If we tapped all of our oil reserves, and stopped importing oil, we'd be good for three years at our current rates of consumption.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html

Considering your little tag line, you should probably educate yourself.
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Old 05-18-2008, 05:49 PM   #25 (permalink)
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The 21 billion barrels are of already tapped reserves, not ones that they know have oil but have not been allowed to drill, thanks to the caribou.

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Old 05-18-2008, 09:15 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The 21 billion barrels are of already tapped reserves, not ones that they know have oil but have not been allowed to drill, thanks to the caribou.

Try not thinking with your heart next time you talk down to me.
Does it?

Oil reserves are reserves of oil that are proven to exist. They don't have to be tapped, just mapped out, estimated and reasonable to extract. The high estimates put that reserve at 10 billion barrels, an extra year and a half. Lovely.

Now if you were talking about the oil shale that would be another thing.
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Old 05-18-2008, 10:37 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm seeing that as mapped fields capable of tapping when needed. Hence the word reserve, the key to this issue though would be "mapped". How many unmapped areas are there? How many places have we not even looked because it isn't permitted to prospect or drill? And if drilling isn't allowed by law how can you see if there are reserves there? So I think the numbers are probably different than what you're seeing don't you think?
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Old 05-19-2008, 02:28 AM   #28 (permalink)
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They are propagating biodiesel now. Hope they'll succeed so that this problem with the gasoline will be resolved.
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With all the oil price hike, Car sellers today offer their cars more cheaper than ever and offers a lot of packages. just for the consumers to buy a new one.
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With all the oil price hike, Car sellers today offer their cars more cheaper than ever and offers a lot of packages. just for the consumers to buy a new one.
I wish that was true, but it ain't the case. And I don't think it will ever come close to that situation. Well owners of used cars or car auctions may sell cars lower, but those cars are not gonna ensure you everything... I think hybrid and conversions are what people are opting to nowadays, ow, and public transportations.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:07 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Seriously, there is plenty of oil beneath American soil to last several generations into the future and tapping into those resources now could help our economy now.
True, with a few qualifications.

One, not at today's rate of consumption. We use a lot of oil. We use more fossil fuel for electricity than we should, mostly because the idiot environmental extremists (Liberal Democrats) oppose both hydroelectric and nuclear generated electricity.

So where is the electricity coming from? Mostly from non-renewables - coal, petroleum (fuel oil) and other gases.

Absolutely stupid. Amazing that the green Idiot Parade is causing the US to burn coal and other non-renewables as a result of their opposition to clean energy.

And two, the US could go offshore and drill. We could go drill in the ANWR and recover somewhere between 4.3 billion and 11.8 billion barrels of oil. BUT, we'd have to tell the anti-industrialization folks to STFU first. Hard to do when they control Congress.

And three, the Liberals need to let up off their drive for higher taxes on everything. If we focused on green electricity - which is cheaper - and then didn't tax the hell out of it, there would be a lot more motivation in a free market economy to design, produce and use electric cars.

As long as the average citizen remained taxed into near poverty, we won't have an economy that can afford to wean itself from gas.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:11 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I suppose I should have qualified my statement of 'American Soil' by including those reserves off our coasts.

Personally, I'm with a few right wing nuts who feel we should just invade Mexico and steal all of their oil. At the very least we should be able to offset the cost of their rejects flooding into our country.
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We could just go after Canada. They're a bunch of push-overs. And they got ten times more reserves than we do.
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I'm sure if you asked politely, we'd likely just invite you. lol As long as you didn't water down the beer, I'm sure you'd be accepted with open arms.

On the plus side of this scenario, we'd go back to pounds and inches. No more wimpy metric crap.

Kidding aside, I feel we definitely need to be implementing alternative fuel sources. Your previous post above certainly points out why we don't.
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One day our commodities will run out and we will be forced to!
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Forced to what? Come up with ways for alternative energy resources? Well there are a lot of alternatives for energy but it is just not widely used or this technologies are still in the process of developing. Some alternatives/technologies cannot be applied to some areas...
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