WW II comparisons with the modern War on Islamic Extremism!

[thegamerslink]

I read this and had to share it, even with it's typos I think it makes a lot of sense and don't see how one can argue to much with the over all statement but knowing some here I could be wrong, at any rate I thought I should share as the words were better than what I could have or have thus far come up with I think covering the subject.

FUBAR: A WW II Analogy

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A WW II slang word meaning F'ed up beyond all recognition: It was GI Joe’s favorite term for the war, were many, things went, horribly wrong (like all wars)!
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In the spirit of historical analogies, I would like to make some WW II comparisons with the modern War on Islamic Extremism! I'm very aware many libs / Dem's, will scream foul! Saying that WW II was a noble war, and the War on Radical Islam, is a lie, bumper sticker, screw-up. But that's the point, for by calling it such, they are making it a self fulfilled prophecy! For the purpose of historical honesty I would like to break down a few facts known to all about both wars. Let’s just think about what the MoveOn types and the DailyKos kooks would really say about WW II if it was happening today.
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Who would the MoveOn, types blame for Pearl Harbor? What would Dem's say about 78,000 US troops surrendering to the Japanese at Bataan, abandoned by their nation as Gen. MacArthur sneaked away in the middle of the night, 78,000 men, left behind to suffer the Bataan death march! What would the Dem's say about the 2000 plus dead in our first Battle against the Nazis in Africa? What would they say about 9000 dead hero's on D-day, were we dropped our airborne: the finest young men of their generation, into swamps miles off their drop zones, to drowned, before they ever got a shot off? I'm sure with that dreadful news Harry Reid and Barbara Boxer would proclaim the war lost and they would champion peace talks with Hitler and Tojo. What would they do with the secrets of the Enigma decoding machines, and our ability to decipher the Japanese codes, and our own top secret Navajo codes? The NY Times, MSNBC, CBS, and the rest would tell all our war secrets, and then hid behind the first amendment in order to justify their treason. What would the American people do in WW II to address the nut-roots and pop culture types who spread 9/11 lies to rationalize their core cowardice. What would that wartime populace think of the MoveOn ad calling (Gen., Betray Us) that ad was financially subsidized by the NY Times, (100,000 discount) And what would the "greatest generation" think of the pop-culture, and modern Hollywood who now chooses to make movie after movie portraying the US Military and the CIA as the bad guys! What would they think about the killing off of Captain America? And what about educational institutions like Columbia wishing to ban the US military recruiters, while inviting the figurehead of Iran: an open terror state, who is actively aiding the enemies we face to speak his lies and hate!
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We call WW II a noble war, is because in 1941-45 we had a noble country, with a noble people, with a noble opposition party, who were Americans first, and Republicans second. Today we have a scurrilous, treasonous, loony left wing, that controls the (Dem’s) opposition party, it is full of disgruntled leftist, who hate their own country first, who see no evil, and hear no evil, unless it comes from there own GOP government!
Today's far left, the Dem's, the media, academia and Hollywood, the pop culture, have gone off the deep end, and they want to take us all with them, by appeasing to the to Radical Islamic Global Gangs, who are in pursuit of WMD and who openly have declared war on and death to the USA. This treasonous course, that the political left, and the Dem’s in lockstep with they are advocating, will only invite more disastrous trouble in the future!
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The Dem’s are acting more like Chamberlain in 1930's then Churchill. If you study your history correctly, you will see Churchill was roundly criticized for his hard stance on Germany years before the war. Then Churchill was called back into service when his nation was teetering on destruction due to their national fecklessness. The difference today is, with the nexus of WMD's we cannot afford a repeat of that type of disaster. For have we already forget 9/11!
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In WW II, we had almost 80,000 taken prisoners in Bataan. We had troop ships sunk with 3,000 men dead in one shot. We lost 9,000 dead in one day on D-day, we lost 418,000 and we just kept fighting! But today libs / Dem's wish to run from car bombs. It will truly be FUBAR, if we allow the loony left to have its way, when you’re talking about today’s war against Radical Islamic Extremists!
For Surrendering to the Enemy Vote Dem’s in Nov. To Win the War against the Islamic Extremist’s. Vote John McCain: No Surrender in 08!!!

[jdspc]

'The Business of America is Business...'

Incredibly enough, employees can ruin a great business...

[thegamerslink]

You lost me jdspc as usual :-) How is that in comparison with the subject? Please expand on what your saying there.

[thegamerslink]

You could mean that America is a business and can be messed up by it's employees I suppose. But with a democracy such as we have it would be the stock holders (the citizens) That ultimately allow the board of directors (the main branches of government) to continue to mess it up.

[jdspc]

Well the quote goes off on dems and libs and lefts and all that garbage...

We, the US, are no longer as one and when media grabs quips and sound bites it makes the more that we do seem less...
You cannot equate what once happened to what is happening now, you just cannot do it. You are doing yourself and this era a disservice.

The implosion of our citizens by way of 'reacting' against our government makes us less strong.

This quotes states what if?
Well, bite that take...if aint gonna happen...
This quote does nothing to state a solution...
My point, I guess is that we, as a unit have failed in staying a unit. We are divided here, how can we let the media now, rip more holes in us than we have ripped in our own selves...?
Isnt that what this whole quote is about? perception?


Just a thought but it is the democracy that folks hold so high that has failed due to empathy...and basic 'who gonna hep me' attitude...


The alternative is finding its way out of the muck we crawled out of...

[jdspc]

and I love that lil quote at the end too...No surrender...

[thegamerslink]

Well, being that I was born in '67 I never experienced the 60's but I fear that is the starting generation of our current growing pain so to speak. I do remember that for the most part in the '70's pre-ERA (ducking!) Most mothers were at home mothers. Children enjoyed the stability of a parent at home when they left for school and when they came home from school. As well as a parent or both parents at home on the weekends with them. Family time such as sitting together for supper and other meals was common place, at least in my world, and the world of pretty much everyone I was ever exposed to. I lived in several different areas when I was younger Ohio, Indiana, Ten. Ga. so I think myself exposed to different domestic cultures during my youth. I remember very explicitly the night when they were talking about the gorillas taking the Olympic competitors hostage, I was I think 3, I had not long before watched Return To the Planet of the Apes and was convinced that REAL gorillas were starting to take over. It just happened that that night was when my dad was working a rare 3rd shift at the factory he was working at.
I remember the crying Indian and the clean up America commercials, the Saturday morning cartoons with the intermissions of I'm only a Bill type cartoons. The messages of United we stand Divided we fall continuously presented to us. Although we were a troubled country with such things going on as the Gas Shortage, an Economic Mess, the Iran Hostage Situation and many other things, we were a proud nation. Except for those that had taken a stand in the 60's opposing the Vietnam war and did so in such a way they immediately ridiculed and spat on our own people such as my father, a marine in Vietnam, one of the most Honest and Honorable men I have ever in my life met.
I am so ashamed of those types of people, and am so taken back by what I see from people in this day and age. People that have no education on such matters, know very little if any of the details, and most that have no clue other than what they are told about any of it. They are doing the same things as they did 30-49 years ago. Just the other day my wife witnessed someone making a loud rude statement to an Air Force Seargant walking through Wal-Mart. Unfortunately I was several Isles over or they would have never made another so public remark again unless they didn't mind being made to look like a complete idiot in public. The searge just shook his head and kept walking. I don't understand what the people that live in this country have come to. And I don't understand most of all, if you don't like this country, I mean if you just hold so much hate and distain for it, why do you continue to live here??? I would think the simple thing for you if you hated where you lived would be to move, Canada or Mexico or where ever.

I know I digressed big time there an I apologize but the thoughts of some are just so stomache turning it's hard to take.

[ewomack]

That was a lot of propoganda. I've seen similar things propogated from the left claiming that the conservatives are trying to turn America into a theocracy where homosexuals and atheists will get killed. Either extreme is disgusting. As each "side" spreads propoganda about the other, we forget that we should all be on the same side. Extremists from either camp of course want to obliterate the "enemy" (i.e., the side they don't agree with) and in the process they feed people slanted opinions and views. That anyone takes either sides propoganda seriously is true evidence that we've lost our way as a country. Democracy needs opposing viewpoints. Freedom needs to tolerate many viewpoints. If one viewpoint is allowed and all others are called "looney" you have neither freedom nor democracy. When I see book titles like "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" or "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" I see polarization and increasing extremism. We're on a dangerous road and we're all playing the game. Both sides are creating monsters through inane propoganda.

In any case, I agree with jdsp that WWII and the current situation with Islamic fundamentalism don't make for good comparisons. Islamic extremism is a big challenge, no doubt. But it hasn't yet reached the level of Hitler (could it? sure). Besides, we have enough extremism in our own country right now (Christian Evangelicalism, secular fundamentalism, political polarization, scientific dogmatism, etc.), which poses a much greater threat to our country than anything coming from abroad.

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Besides, we have enough extremism in our own country right now (Christian Evangelicalism, secular fundamentalism, political polarization, scientific dogmatism, etc.), which poses a much greater threat to our country than anything coming from abroad.

While I agree in a way, I have to disagree in many. Firstly, I remember I think, and I may be wrong and if I am then forgive me but, back in the 70's early mid I believe, I saw a woman and her son on The Merv Giffin Show, that started an Atheist group, the very atheist group that took the lords prayer religion in school to the supreme court and had it removed. They are dead now, they disappeared for a very long time after they were in business for a long while and were kidnapped and shot then dumped in a state by a pond. This wasn't done by a Christian group or an extremist trying to shut them up. It was done by someone they had working in their office so he could steal the money they had. At any rate, the point of mentioning that story, it's not extemism here in this country that caused that to happen on the right side, just greed and the paranoia of those 2 that were on the left extreme side that put them in an isolated position that allowed it to happen as it did.

When you say that we have a much greater threat internally than anything abroad, I guess 9/11 was something that happened internally?? And yes there is a lot of extremism in this country much of it caused by those that have either originated from other cultures/countries or have been here but are attempting to grab hold of or change to a different culture and force it on this one, meaning they want America to change it's culture to conform to theirs. And a lot of the extremism and division in our country that is at such an alarming level is caused by the propaganda of the extremists. And when people in our own government embraces and enforces such propaganda then the problem becomes very sever but let us not forget where that propaganda truly originates from and that is abroad.