What if we threw out all the illegal immigrants?

m42 · 07-09-2008, 01:26 AM

At least 12 million illegal immigrants live in the U.S. Most pick crops, wash dishes, build houses, cut lawns and do other jobs for between $6 and $15 an hour. They make up about 5% of the total U.S. work force. But …

What if we threw them all out?

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jabo · 07-09-2008, 01:40 AM

Well, the article did ask a good question if we threw out all the illegal immigrants...

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Will the americans be willing to do all this work?

Different countries have known for their people who has been good at something. Lets say Asia. Most of the caregivers in the U.S. came from Asia because they like to take care of somebody else's parents/grandparents. While an Asian would keep his/her relatives close, an American will send them off to nursing homes or homes for the aged.

zeruel · 07-09-2008, 06:07 AM

That will be a pain in the @$$ if US will do that...

wolvie · 07-09-2008, 07:36 AM

If you threw out all the illegal immigrants, the population of my country would surely increase and I would get so many of my relatives back.

But you know it's an impossible job. How will it be possible to find and throw away 12 million illegal immigrants.

m42 · 07-09-2008, 10:07 AM

With well planned witch hunts, of course.

Blender · 07-09-2008, 11:51 AM

can you imagine how big the splash would be if we threw them all in the ocean!?!

thegamerslink · 07-09-2008, 02:54 PM

"Illegal" aliens, the name after all answers the entire question to all those who hold compassion towards those that are. I am not a heartless man, and I do have compassion for my fellow man(that includes all mankind) But allowing those that are in the country illegally to remain here insults and belittles all of the immigrants that have come to this country and followed all of the legalities and some even going so far as becoming citizens. If just anyone can walk into the country and have the same rights and priviledges for free what does all the commitment and hard work the legal immigrants have done mean?

What would happen if they were all gone? The jobs they are doing are jobs that the lower income and even middle income people are doing or are looking to do. ICE raided a place, and forgive me because at the moment I can't remember what business or where, I think it may have been a butcher type business or something, but they arrested hundreds of illegal immigrants from this business and by the end of the week legal citizens and immigrants were lined up around the corner looking for work. So the theory that there won't be anyone to do the work I think may be an overly used scare tactic. And if you follow the deportation of the illegal immigrants with a workable immigrant worker program of some type then you will still have immigrants working, they'll just be legal to do so. U.S. Sugar Inc. every year sponsors hundreds of immigrants from other countries such as Haiti to come and work the sugar cane fields. Other businesses do the same so why can't all businesses practice legal and ethical practices?

The other side of the coin, illegal immigrants working for companies or individuals also lends itself to the likely hood that in some if not many cases you will end up with what the regular worker or human being for that matter would find as unacceptable working conditions. Overly demanding hours and lower than reasonable pay for the jobs being asked to be performed. And since the workers are Illegal immigrants they are to afraid to ask for help or to blow the whistle on injustices.

m42 · 07-09-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thegamerslink

But allowing those that are in the country illegally to remain here insults and belittles all of the immigrants that have come to this country and followed all of the legalities and some even going so far as becoming citizens.

I came here legally and went through the process. I don't feel insulted or belittled. These people just want a fair chance at life.

thegamerslink · 07-09-2008, 03:22 PM

Not everyone that has gone the legal route such as yourself I am sure would feel belittled or insulted. Though there are many that do. I for one if I were to have to go through such a process or if I moved to another country and followed their laws to enter or become a citizen I would not be overly happy that just any could do it without being made to go through the same processes I was forced to. Unless it was the same system just improved. The status of illegal immigrants creates many many problems. One there is the problem of identity theft, many illegal immigrants use stolen social security numbers in order to obtain work(again not all, but many). There is the situation I mentioned in my previous post where individuals and businesses take advantage of their status and reluctance to go to the authorities to force unfair inhospitable working conditions and rates of pay. Some illegal immigrants are actually criminals that have come here not merely looking for a fair chance at life but perhaps a chance to start over in a country they aren't being sought after for a murder wrap or multiple mugging burglary wraps. Some that are here illegally are under the impression that since they are breaking the law any how that the other laws don't pertain to them either. In such cases as drinking and driving, domestic abuse etc. And like I said, this isn't all, but you have many different elements going on in an environment that has no control because those involved are doing it outside the process. There is no protection for the immigrant and there is no protection for the legal immigrant or citizen already here.

The answer isn't to get rid of the 12 million and keep them out, the answer is to get rid of the 12 million undocumented and make them documented. It's better for them, it's better for everyone else. No one is suggesting Ellis Island or the like. Just having to be documented and follow some sort of structure is a good thing for everyone and would actually increase the opportunity that they are seeking to better themselves with.

C.Whyte · 07-09-2008, 04:26 PM

America would blow up.

Zap · 07-09-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thegamerslink

But allowing those that are in the country illegally to remain here insults and belittles all of the immigrants that have come to this country and followed all of the legalities and some even going so far as becoming citizens.

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Originally Posted by m42

I came here legally and went through the process. I don't feel insulted or belittled. These people just want a fair chance at life.

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Originally Posted by thegamerslink

Not everyone that has gone the legal route such as yourself I am sure would feel belittled or insulted.

Atta boy! Stand your ground.

You're funny, gamer.

The truth is, gamer, that if you were born in the US and lived there all of your life, then you probably have very little understanding of the illegal aliens you are so willing to discard or their motivations.
Just my opinion, but I think many with that thought process would think very differently if they were born in a hut in Africa somewhere.
It's very easy to say that people should do this and that to join your little club when you're a member. Before "dumping these immigrants into the ocean", it might be a good idea to walk a mile in their shoes first.

zeruel · 07-09-2008, 11:46 PM

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Before "dumping these immigrants into the ocean", it might be a good idea to walk a mile in their shoes first.

Exactly. And maybe a big percentage of the reason why they did such thing is to find a chance of luck or maybe to fulfill their dreams that they didn't achieved on the country they originally came from. Lots of people struggles to find luck on other countries and have left no choice but to do that illegally. But most of them I think helps a lot for the country like domestic helpers, construction workers, etc. They are just being abused sometimes which I think is really not fair...

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Originally Posted by thegamerslink

The answer isn't to get rid of the 12 million and keep them out, the answer is to get rid of the 12 million undocumented and make them documented. It's better for them, it's better for everyone else.

I hope they would really make it possible to make them documented. Of course not everyone will be turned legal, maybe just some people who have potential or worth it to be one. Do you think the government have some opportunities for them to be legal? I have some friends who did the same thing. Illegal as you would say, so they have no choice but to marry a citizen there just to get themselves legal.

thegamerslink · 07-10-2008, 10:07 AM

Hmmm....ok, lets see...I thought I had covered all this, reread my previous post, if they are documented they won't be as subject to being abused. There are many reasons for them to do things the right way. And there are those looking for opportunity there are those that just don't care. They are people after all.

Let me ask this though, how many countries can I go to and simply walk in to the country and start working just like everyone that already lives there without having to file for residency or following some type of requirement? How many countries would change their language to accomodate me? Am I free to go to Mexico and buy some land start a business and start being a success without having to go through a process? Am I allowed to own land there at all?

Can I go to France, Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Germany or any where to do what I want and when I want. And not have to bother to learn the language to communicate because they will interpret for me at no charge whenever I ask. Will they give me money to start a business? Will they give me temporary living expenses to get me started? If immigrants come to the U.S. there are multiple programs from multiple organizations that do just that. If they are illegal then they are shooting themselves in the foot from the beginning. They are destroying the very thing you say they are seeking.

thegamerslink · 07-10-2008, 10:11 AM

And don't forget, it's not only Mexican's coming over our southern border. They have multiple nationalities attempting to come in undetected. Not racially profiling, but what does this open a likelyhood up of? People coming over not looking for a new chance or opportunity but people coming in to be part of terror cells, smuggle drugs, guns, artillary, nukes into the country undetected. It's not 1940 any more. It's not even 1999 any more. It's post 9/11 everything is different now for sure, and those that don't wake up to that fact are the same ones that will be left sitting with their thumbs up their ass wondering what the hell happened and who the hell's fault it is next time it happens

Harveyj · 07-10-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thegamerslink

Can I go to France, Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Germany or any where to do what I want and when I want. And not have to bother to learn the language to communicate because they will interpret for me at no charge whenever I ask. Will they give me money to start a business? Will they give me temporary living expenses to get me started? If immigrants come to the U.S. there are multiple programs from multiple organizations that do just that. If they are illegal then they are shooting themselves in the foot from the beginning. They are destroying the very thing you say they are seeking.

In Australia, we have an amazingly well endowed skilled migration program, so possibly yes.
That said, regardless of the media beat up of boat people flooding our shores, the VAST majority of illegal immigrants are US and UK people overstaying their VISAs after they've decided to setup a life here. If they do the sham marriage thing, thanks to our no-fault divorce legislation, you probably won't even have it looked into that you suddenly became a full citizen.

As for language, you'd be surprised about the difference between Australian English and American English...
For a start, "****" can actually be every word in a sentence here, and people will still understand you perfectly well.

homebizseo · 07-10-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by m42

At least 12 million illegal immigrants live in the U.S. Most pick crops, wash dishes, build houses, cut lawns and do other jobs for between $6 and $15 an hour. They make up about 5% of the total U.S. work force. But …

What if we threw them all out?

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...mmigrants.aspx

Who would do all the work?

m42 · 07-10-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thegamerslink

Hmmm....ok, lets see...I thought I had covered all this, reread my previous post, if they are documented they won't be as subject to being abused. There are many reasons for them to do things the right way. And there are those looking for opportunity there are those that just don't care. They are people after all.

Let me ask this though, how many countries can I go to and simply walk in to the country and start working just like everyone that already lives there without having to file for residency or following some type of requirement? How many countries would change their language to accomodate me? Am I free to go to Mexico and buy some land start a business and start being a success without having to go through a process? Am I allowed to own land there at all?

Can I go to France, Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Germany or any where to do what I want and when I want. And not have to bother to learn the language to communicate because they will interpret for me at no charge whenever I ask. Will they give me money to start a business? Will they give me temporary living expenses to get me started? If immigrants come to the U.S. there are multiple programs from multiple organizations that do just that. If they are illegal then they are shooting themselves in the foot from the beginning. They are destroying the very thing you say they are seeking.

So you'd be fine with illegal immigration if you didn't have to pay for it or see them get something you aren't getting?