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Old 06-30-2004, 02:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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SEO Steps - 1, 2, 3?

I'm so glad I came across this forum researching SEO and Nigritude Ultramarine. By far, one of the most informative and open SEO forums I have come across. Bear with me as this is a long post, but it may help others down the road from any responses I get.

I have some basic questions about the SEO process. I always read, ..."then I learned SEO". But how can you "learn" SEO when there are so many supposed myths and facts? Anyways, in this topic, I would just like some feed back about the order in which most of you start the process. I have 2 main products I'm trying to sell, along with 2 sites; both with catchy domain names but neither have any keywords in the domain name. The first is a crowded market; the second is a not so crowded market. They are debt consolidation (I'm also a recruiter for the service), and skip trace services (cell phone history report, etc.). I have read steps 1 and 2 that John provided.

Step 1 - SEO Copywriting. I think I know the basics as I have created this site for testing based off of an ebook I read: http://www.treatacnenow.com/acne_tre..._treatment.php . I just noticed tonight that it finally got ranked at it's at a PR3. I must be doing something right.

Step 2 - Anchor Text and Inbound Links. I think a grasp the concept, but what about Search Engine Submission? I know it's important, but how many of these are recommended? DMOZ is a big name and FREE. Is it worth the costs for the others? Name over Price?

Step 3 - Step 3 will be what I think Step 1 should be: site design with SEO in mind. I've been researching the development practice of a web page purely from CSS design for SEO purposes. Is it that much more affective? On my acne site, I made sure the first word in the first cell was my key word in <h1> brackets. Is this the same result you can get with CSS design and does it make that big of a difference? Design is far more important for my 2, before mentioned sites, than a site with acne information. With that being said, I would love to have someone review both sites. I won't post in this thread as I don't want to be accused of spamming.

Step 4 - Reciprical Linking. So after submitting to all of the directories, do you dedicate time each day for reciprical linking? Do you guys/gals suggest only sticking with relevant swaps like my debt site to another debt type site? Is anybody using a link swap management system? If so, which one? Does contributing to relevant Blogs help (non-abusive posting of course)?

Step 5 - New Content. I've read that adding new content helps also. If there's really not much to add for sites selling a service or specific product, does adding an article section help? How often should things be updated?

Step 6 - Patience. I imagine this is most important of all - because I am running out of it . In the competition for the term Nigritude Ultramarine, the top listings are by those with already well established sites, thus the fast indexing. How much time should one let pass without seeing desired results until something is done differently?

I'm also curious about one other thing, which may be considered a step, and that's planning for the development of a site and it's host provider. For my skip trace site, I made sure I found a host that would provide a unique IP address for the site. Why? Hell if I know; I've just seen a 50/50 response on whether that matters or not from other forums. Better safe than sorry. But I have to ask here; does it matter and what proof is there that it does? And furthermore, are there any tweaks or adjustments I need to make to the .htaccess file? I've only used it to rewrite php to html for one of my vacant forums. Anything else one should know?

Many thanks in advance.
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Old 06-30-2004, 11:51 AM   #3 (permalink)
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OK. The debt sites are both live at: DebtFreeAffiliate and VisualSavings. VisualSavings obviously has no keywords in the domain name...but is it that important? How is the design layout? SEO friendly? My next step for these sites are more aggressive SE submissions and link exchange requests.

My other site will be live soon and I'm particularly worried about maintaining optimization along with good design. It is call eVestigation.com and of all high ranked competitors, I believe my site looks MUCH more professional and will hopefully gain consumer confidence. But again, can design be maintained and still gain good ranking? These competitors designed their sites for high ranking at what I believe, was the cost of good design. The development page can be seen here. It's not complete, but the product pages are named the same as the keyword, for example, "/people-search-by-cell-phone-number.php"

I plan on adding a forum for people suspecting infidelity, Private Investigator questions, and some information pages about the same topics. Will this help along with a couple high quality and relevant link exchanges?

This is a ton of questions I know, so I appreciate any comments .
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Old 06-30-2004, 12:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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LOL...gotcha. Does anybody have a practice of asking for link exchange if the site you're interested in doesn't have an official "link" page? Is it out of line to just email the webmaster a request? I don't want to piss anybody off.

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Exactly... just email them and ask... it never hurts to ask.
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Exactly... just email them and ask... it never hurts to ask.
It hurts - badly, now I feel sick when I see any links page.

If you want to keep building links for long term, don't try the links which you think only little chance.
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Damn your hot hurricane_sh.

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when you want to give people keyword rich links into your articles could you at least try to provide a synopsis of the article or a couple of the important points with the links.

also, this could be taken offensively

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Damn your hot hurricane_sh.
p.s. I hope you're not a dude with a chick avitar.
though I am sure you do not mean any.
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The "keyword rich" link explains itself. The important points are within the article...but I'll keep that in mind Aaron.


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I was referring to the fact that she looks hot because of that thick garment she is wearing.
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The "keyword rich" link explains itself. The important points are within the article...but I'll keep that in mind Aaron.
I know why you use keyword rich links the thing is that not everybody has time to go to all the other sources and it is usually bad usability to give people a blind link.

If I am moderating and I have to read all the articles on everyones websites then it will eat up a ton of time & that is a bad deal for me

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I was referring to the fact that she looks hot because of that thick garment she is wearing.
I have never been good at hitting on girls or even passing favorable comments without sounding a bit like a jerk, so I can't give the best advice on how to say "your cute" or whatever, it is just that some things in this world make many people very object like and it is best when we don't do that.

I know sometimes we are somewhat crude toward people who aim to lie or misinform people, but generally it is in our best interest to prevent potentially sticky situations or comments that can be taken the wrong way whenever possible.
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It seems something wrong with my avatar, I didn't intend to mislead anyone, just thought everyone knew her, now I know it doesn't apply to SEO world.
By the way, if you think something wrong with my post, please make it straightforward, I will appreciate it very much.
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there was nothing wrong with your post. who was that girl you thought everyone knew? just out of curiosity now...
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there was nothing wrong with your post. who was that girl you thought everyone knew? just out of curiosity now...
Miranda Otto in Lord of the rings
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awall19, dont' tell me you didn't watch the movie, please
I usually watch about 3-5 movies a year. that counts movies at home. I actually just watched the Graduate for the first time a few days ago.
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So tell me this....am I going to screw myself up if I have to start with a "resources" page for my links? I know for the debt sites I will not be able to land any "keyword rich" reciprocate links in the middle of my copy. If I do have to start out with a "resources" page for links, should I be strict and only reciprocate relevant links or is it better to start off by getting any good ranked site to reciprocate? (even if they sell penis pills).

And how about this predicament regarding my investigation site:

I WILL be able to get "keyword rich" links reciprocated from 4 VERY relevant HIGH PR sites. Should I not bother with a links page? Will that just penalize me or make me step backwards in my efforts for good linking?

I can't help but being a bit paranoid and specific because of how many forums say "you will get penalized by google" for thsi or that....arrrgghhh!!! Thanks!
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