The Secret

[imaginemn]

Originally Posted by nandini

Different domain don`t effect much if they share same IP

and

links from different class IP address have more impact on SERP than anything else. And this has been proved at so many places, even in your articles

Is this fact or your opinion? Is there any research or facts supporting this?

By following this model a company like Interland or v7 hosting that can hosts hundreds if not thousands of sites on a shared IP would be penalized if they ever linked to each other. Too many companies would be affected by this. I could understand if they had the same ip address and the content is the same but not sure if it makes a huge difference if it's the same ip or not.

How else would you explain if you type "exit" in google you get yahoo as the top result. Too many adult sites link to yahoo as their exit pages. I am sure many of these adult sites are using the same ip address.

I am asking because I don't know and would like to read some supporting documents or case studies.

By the way great tips John.

imaginemn

[James Trotta]

Originally Posted by awall19

usually different site owners have different ip addresses. if you think some sites are in common you can do an IP lookup. If memory serves I think you can do this from www.whois.sc

So I have to check "whois" for every domain linking to me? Sounds like a very very time consuming task...

[James Trotta]

Originally Posted by JohnScott

Or, let me put it this way. Link building is indeed the way to top rankings. Getting links with the right anchor text is the key to SEO. But - here's the secret - it's not the number of links per se, but the number of unique domains and IP's that are linking to you.
....It's not about PR. It's about anchor text links from unique IP's.[/i]

So creating fresh content pages that link back to your important pages is less helpful than reciprocal linking (purely in terms of search engine rankings)?

[ferret77]

unless you can come up with something great enougth to warrent massive amounts of unsolicted links

its tough to compete with link trading

[Johan007]

Having your site on deferent IP would only add a few unique IP’s so the effect is minimal. Link exchange is King!

I guess if your site has more than one topic then you should look at deep link exchange to related sites. I am going to ask a few website owners if they want to swap links with the filmmaking section of my movie site.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by James Trotta

So creating fresh content pages that link back to your important pages is less helpful than reciprocal linking (purely in terms of search engine rankings)?

Internal links and same IP links do count - but it's limited. Internal links and the anchor text of internal links aren't given the same weight as external links from different IP's.

[thebassman]

Originally Posted by RonHollingsworth

I don't think having a dedicated IP is necessary.

Yeah, this is important... why would it be necessary to not have a shared ip?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by imaginemn

Is this fact or your opinion? Is there any research or facts supporting this?

By following this model a company like Interland or v7 hosting that can hosts hundreds if not thousands of sites on a shared IP would be penalized if they ever linked to each other. Too many companies would be affected by this. I could understand if they had the same ip address and the content is the same but not sure if it makes a huge difference if it's the same ip or not.

How else would you explain if you type "exit" in google you get yahoo as the top result. Too many adult sites link to yahoo as their exit pages. I am sure many of these adult sites are using the same ip address.

I am asking because I don't know and would like to read some supporting documents or case studies.

Interesting you brought that up. BlueFind got going once before this current go, and at the time V7 was free-hosting a lot of sites and all of those linked to BlueFind. For three or four months I waited for BlueFind to show PR, but it never did. It was PR0 month after month. It had enough PR7 links to be a strong PR7, I thought, but they never had an affect. Even on the SERPs - no effect. A search for "BlueFind" brought up other pages that mentioned BlueFind.

I'm thinking that Google was not allowing any of those links to pass PR because they were all isolated to the V7 IP range. (quality-Web-Hosting.net at that time.)

I've seen this in other places as well. A site that was top ten for "digital cameras" recently lost all its PR and SERPs. They had been buying links from just two or three IP ranges.

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[imaginemn]

Thanks John that helps.

imaginemn

[James Trotta]

So if I just started two new forums, I should put them with a different web host than the one I already have. Currently they are part of my main web site's account (I used htaccess to make subdomains of my site show up for different web addresses). Otherwise I'll have hundreds of links from a different domain but with the same IP as my site and Google will get suspicious?

Originally Posted by JohnScott

Interesting you brought that up. BlueFind got going once before this current go, and at the time V7 was free-hosting a lot of sites and all of those linked to BlueFind. For three or four months I waited for BlueFind to show PR, but it never did. It was PR0 month after month. It had enough PR7 links to be a strong PR7, I thought, but they never had an affect. Even on the SERPs - no effect. A search for "BlueFind" brought up other pages that mentioned BlueFind.

I'm thinking that Google was not allowing any of those links to pass PR because they were all isolated to the V7 IP range. (quality-Web-Hosting.net at that time.)

I've seen this in other places as well. A site that was top ten for "digital cameras" recently lost all its PR and SERPs. They had been buying links from just two or three IP ranges.

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[nandini]

Originally Posted by James Trotta

So if I just started two new forums, I should put them with a different web host than the one I already have. Currently they are part of my main web site's account (I used htaccess to make subdomains of my site show up for different web addresses). Otherwise I'll have hundreds of links from a different domain but with the same IP as my site and Google will get suspicious?

Actually Google won`t get suspicious ....
Google won`t ban you at all... You are not doing anything wrong by putting them on same site.
But you won`t be benefitted that much..
I think everyone is getting really very excited about this Class C IP Address. Lets talk logically and in a simple language. You have two forums for your site.
all links will get weightage, but if you get links from different IP Address, you will get more weightage.. As simple as that...
And one more important thing... which everyone knows, but is missed or overlooked ... is theme of the site from which you are getting links.

Lets say you want to promote kywd "web design australia" . If you are getting a link from a site for eg. web-design-australia-online-blah-blah.com
It will benefit you more. Now for god sake don`t think you get a theme site only by having kywds in URL. Your website should reflect your theme.

so go for links from different Class C IP Address and sites which have theme according to your site. Check their rankings for specific keywords you are targetting. This is a very very important point...

-- Again just my opinion - but with a little research and effective results experience ----- :wink:

[Johan007]

Everyone seems to have ignored my point ! For the forum example by James it would increase the IP count by just one! Or are we saying that if you have hundreds of pages on another site with a deferent IP it counts as MUCH MORE than if you shared the hosting on the same IP and interlinked?

[chrisgarrett]

Great thread! :O)

What about the effect of placing links on your site to others that rank highly for those terms?

For example, hypothetically say I had a football site (hate saying 'widgets') and I links to the top ranking sites with link text like "leeds united football club" and "barnsley football club" would that also influence the site ranking on the term "football club"?

[Johan007]

Originally Posted by chrisgarrett

Great thread! :O)

What about the effect of placing links on your site to others that rank highly for those terms?

For example, hypothetically say I had a football site (hate saying 'widgets') and I links to the top ranking sites with link text like "leeds united football club" and "barnsley football club" would that also influence the site ranking on the term "football club"?

no effect

[ferret77]

i don't know if you can say that

I think having outbound links with the key phrase in it helps rankings

although i don't think it does that much

[hatchet]

If we look at the philosophy inbound links with optimized link text.. that gives your competition another IBL and you an outbound link. In my amateur opinion it makes no sense at all to do that - unless you're into self-defeat

[ferret77]

still from a searchers stand point

a site that is full of outbound links wiht the key phrase in it would appear to be a directory on the subject

so just create 20 or 30 sites on you subject then just link out to yourself

:idea:

just kidding, that would be morally wrong

[nandini]

Originally Posted by Johan007

Everyone seems to have ignored my point ! For the forum example by James it would increase the IP count by just one! Or are we saying that if you have hundreds of pages on another site with a deferent IP it counts as MUCH MORE than if you shared the hosting on the same IP and interlinked?

Hi Let me answer you question..
First of all everyone knows Page Rank is for Pages not for websites... If you have two links from a single page and two links from two pages.. The latter option will have more desirable effect. So it is always adviced to increase your pages by adding fresh and new content to your site.

So in your example having two forums, and linking every page will definately increase the Page Rank.. Whether its on same IP or different IP. But definately pagerank will increase more if forums are on different IP.. And crossslinking of different domain names on same IP will be regarded as crosslinking and might put you in bad books of google. Avoid crosslinking as much as you can even on different IPs too.



---Just my opinion---

[bhopkins]

Thanks Everyone. There is some really interesting information in this thread. I've jsut recently got really interesting in achieving some good positions for some sites( I've always just worked on hobby sites), So this inform should help me on that journey.

[UKZJ007]

Welcome to the forum Bhopkins.

Yeah the info is kool, stickin around in the forum should help you with your journey too