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Old 11-05-2003, 04:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Getting IBLs (links) into websites

Getting IBLs into a website is something that is usually necessary to build PageRank/linkpop and, therefore, boost rankings. Some people find it difficult to get links so can we all post ideas for link aquisitions.

I'll start off with...

Forums
Join forums and place links to your site(s) in your signature line. Use searchterms as the link text (example: my sig line). Before spending time writing loads of posts, make sure that the forum is spiderable by checking the robots.txt file, and make sure that non-members don't have session IDs in the URLs. Also make sure that links in sig lines are not hidden from spiders (view the source code).

Write articles
I sometimes get emails from people who have included a link to my site in their latest online article. They want me to add a link from my site to theirs - to the article. Some people do it. I've done it myself with a chap called Larry Chase and Peter's searchengineblog.com also linked to Larry's site at one time, for the same reason.

So the idea is to write frequent articles which include positive comments about different sites, plus links to those sites. Then email the sites to tell them about it and suggest that they might want to link to it.

Another way to use your own articles is to allow other sites to reprint them provided that they link to the article. Example: see the foot of any page, except the PR calculator, on my webworkshop site.

Email requests
(a) Find websites that are related to your site's topic but not direct competitors, and ask them for a link exchange.
(b) Find the sites that link to your competitors' sites and ask them for a link exchange.

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Website design credits
I like the idea of designing sites and leaving my footer link on every page.

Free hosting
Or hosting sites for free, and getting links in return.

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Distributed articles
I think that the main thing about articles is to distribute them online, so that other sites post your articles, and you get a link to your site in the sig. file.

linkpartners.com
In order to find a few sites that are willing to exchange, I use linkpartners.com. There are always a few sites that are worth exchanging with. and once you got a PR, it will be easier to do so anyway.

What NOT to do
Don't get involved with link farms as they will attract penalties from Google - and maybe from other engines. See this thread about link farms:- http://www.internet-marketing-resear...?p=18568#18568


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Old 11-05-2003, 05:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Writing articles is good, Phil, but it's only effective if you really know what you're talking about. Like, your PageRank paper has gotten tons of links and mentions, but most people are not as knowledgable as you.

My SEO copywriting as gotten quite a few links which makes me proud, but it's not really good for most businesses out there. Like web hosting - most people are simply interested in selling hosting, not writing articles. Most web hosts I know couldn't write an article that would get linked inf their life depended on it.

Forums are good.

I like the idea of designing sites and leaving my footer link on every page.

Or hosting sites for free, and getting links in return.
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Old 11-05-2003, 05:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Writing articles is only good if you have something to say on the subject AND if you are able to write well. Many sites (like the car design one and perhaps the baby showers one ) are very suitable for articles. Many sites are not suitable, of course.

Tonight I got another email telling me about the link in a new article. That, and the topic coming up in another thread today, is what prompted this thread.
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Hm,
providing hosting for a link is a good idea, but also means that you would need a lot of hosting space.
I also like the idea of writing articles, but I think that the main thing about articles is to distribute them online, so that other sites post your articles, and you get a link to your site in the sig. file.
But, personally, I currently only use links in the sig. at forums, and link exchange with other sites. In order to find a few sites that are willing to exchagne, I use linkpartners.com. There are always a few sites that are worth exchanging with. and once you got a PR, it will be easier to do so anyway.
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Old 11-06-2003, 03:32 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 11-06-2003, 04:24 AM   #6 (permalink)
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So that other sites will want to link to it?
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Old 11-06-2003, 07:12 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Correct. It happens a lot. Online games are a perfect example.
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That's like saying - make a site that other sites will want to link to, which is great, but most sites are not topic areas that it can happen with.
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Old 11-06-2003, 12:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Just an idea, Phil, just an idea..
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Old 11-08-2003, 05:04 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Great Stuff above - I think this is one of the most interesting posts, thanks for the advice!
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I'm testing the issue of forum sig links, after I raised concerns on another thread that they may not be being counted as expected.

I've cross-linked my (indexed) forums for very specific terms, and will watch to see if quantity is actually going to effect the SERPs. I've even used proximity text, just in case, but still have an eye out for the possibility that Google *may* be using themes.

I'll report back specifically on the issue later - possibly by mid-December - when I'm sure that the forums have been completely re-indexed.
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Old 11-11-2003, 05:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Sig links are more effective when you have the least number of sites possible (omega) - one!

When i see a sigs with loads of URL's .. it puts me off clicking them. Maybe create a splash page (if they are your URLS), and then post the sigs???????? What y'all think?
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I doubt that people are generally put off from clicking links in sig lines when there is more than one in the line. But this thread is about getting links into sites, and not about getting traffic into them.
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Sig links are more effective when you have the least number of sites possible (omega) - one!

When i see a sigs with loads of URL's .. it puts me off clicking them. Maybe create a splash page (if they are your URLS), and then post the sigs???????? What y'all think?
I don't care about people in forums clicking my links, as they are usually not my target market. I do care about the additional IBL, which will help me get more of the targetted traffic that I do want.
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yeah sig liks arent targeted. true.
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Then again, I suppose how the sig line is formatted may make a difference to whether or not someone clicks. I like to think that mine is done right for clicks, but I can see your point if you mean just having a list of domains.
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yeah that is what i meant all along!
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I just read Google Hacks. I was not sure if I should purchase the book--if the information in it would be trust-worthy, but the forward was written by the Google Team, and they seem to whole-heartedly recommend the book as the best book about Google ever. Anyway, in that book, I learned that RELAVANT in-bound links are what help. Links from sites that have nothing to do with your content can actually hurt you. (True? Not true?) So it seems that offering free hosting to an Insurance Agency to get a link from them to your auto parts website would be counter-productive.

I'm not stating this as fact, I'm relaying what I *think* I've learned, but I'm very new to this stuff. Thanks for the honest, friendly discussion!
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That book didn't impress me.

And, off-topic links do help. A lot of sites get top ranking for highly competitive KWD's solely on the basis of off-topic links.
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