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Originally Posted by imaginemn
Rivux comments are exactly what I am trying to convey. My point of all this discussion is to find out if it really works? If the supplier(s) of these services cannot show me that it works, is it worth buying? If I am going to spend hundreds or thousands of marketing dollars for a 'yes it works'. I need proof that it works. I have been in the advertising field since 1985 so I know the value of a good ad or campaign. I am very familiar with what it takes to create a successful campaign. I also know that you cannot guarantee that just because someone goes to my site they will buy something. That’s impossible. But if the experts in the field cannot validate their services or have any data on what an average ROI is what’s the point in buying from them?
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imaginemn, this is a relatively new zone for authentic sellers, who are trying to make a decent buck reselling services.
If you want some professional answers 'maybe' some of the big boys will be able to give you that. Try yesup.net
I understand what you mean, but the answer to that is, customers for these $20-50 campaigns, come in all colors and creeds.
There are some half way around the world trying to promote a GPTREM, and then others trying to sell eBooks at $199. Some promoting their $500 services and then again others promoting their Traffic exchange surf programs.
I respect you in trying to research more than the average customer who places a campaign for a shopping portal, when I am pretty confident he won't make his buck back most times...
It depends on 'knowing' what you have, and making the most from it.
I advice you to believe this is the worst quality of 'real' traffic you can ever get to your site & see whether you can profit from them...
So called Guru's put up 2 exit popups on their site pleading their visitors to buy the manual/report for a whopping 50% discount. Although I'm sure 'this' traffic would/should be more qualitative than this kind that's sold so cheap.
So why does he do that?
Cause to make the sale he needs to use better/newer/alternative techniques, and probably because,
a visitor coming to your site is not a customer till you make him one...
I'm into SEO, and my top site gets 200 TARGETED visitors and I do not make even 5% conversions. That's downright Pathetic, and I'll always regret that, but I need to go ahead and change that now.... (instead of posting at forums - lol)
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Originally Posted by imaginemn
Would you hire a php programmer if they did not know what php meant or how it worked? I would be willing to purchase from someone who is knowledgeable in the field.
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Yes, you should do this... I have my own ROI, but it's no use to you, cause you sell something else. And my customers sell other things too. The truth of the matter is MOST customers do not make their money back. But you know what, if you think well, you can easily.... I've owned HolyTraffic.com since 2001 and made sales every single day my 1st 6 months. My rates today are 20 times higher (yes that's right 20 times) than the run-of-mill traffic sites you see at ebay. Why ?
Because I can afford it..... Some clients repeat. Currently, I approached geesh and others to know of more traffic sources, cause I want to increase my own traffic.
So if you want to listen to an ROI figure, well then mine is 'always' above 100%. Yes, for every $20 I invest I make $40 'atleast'. This though is not the same for most, in fact they are on the other side of the spectrum....
I'm even ready to pay good-quality+quantity websites $4 CPM for popunders, so I can promote things....
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Originally Posted by imaginemn
Geesh and ceo, I hope I did not offend you or put down any of your services. This is not my intention. I am just trying to make a good business decision on whether or not to use this type of service because, I have many clients looking for this type of service. So far I am not convinced that this type of service works. And no one here has given me any reason to believe otherwise. I am sure that it may work for some people but not something I am willing to try at this time.
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No offense at all, atleast from my end : )
As I said, works for some, not for others.... I would always suggest doing a 10,000 visitor US//targeted campaign test. Take it from there. You are'nt going to spend 100's or 1000's of dollars. Maybe a one time $20 or 30..... If there is a possibility to experiment with 2-3 seperate campaigns of 3000 each, you should do that..... (check it with 'geesh' if you're interested.
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Originally Posted by imaginemn
I wish you both well and good luck with your company. If you do happen to come across any statistical data supporting your services please feel free to let me know. I am willing to explore this further at a future time. imaginemn
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Thank you. I will never have those kind of stats. Any published stats elsewhere would be absolutely non-related, beacuse of the many variables at play here. Think of these:
a. Quality of traffic from service provider
b. Category of product used
c. Is it targeted to the audience (personally I am not a believer they really target well)
d. Costs of product
e. Day/time of traffic sent
f. Landing page variables - speed, design, content, spin etc.....
You think any stats should convince you ?
Don't even let it fool you into tilting on any side of the balance..
Like I said, for me it's 100% ROI. That means NOTHING to what it will be for you.
Most customers get 0% (I presume).
Best wishes !
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