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07-29-2004, 05:26 PM
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1st post Why did John didn't win the contest?
This is my first post.
I was wondering why did John didn't win the contest?
Is it because he didn't have a link from the ODP?
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07-29-2004, 05:28 PM
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I'm assuming you are talking about the Nigritude Ultramarine contest, right?
An OPD link wouldn't have mattered, btw.
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07-29-2004, 05:58 PM
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I think I said somewhere that the guy with the most links from the most unique IP's/domains with "keyword" in the anchor text will turn up #1 for "keyword" in the SERPs. Obviously, Anil Dash had quite a bit more links. I'm guessing several thousand more unique IP's involved in that one.
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07-29-2004, 05:58 PM
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Yes I am talking about Nigritude Ultramarine contest
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07-29-2004, 06:03 PM
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oh and btw, welcome to the forums
Anil won simply because of the hundreds, even thousands of trackbacks from his loyal readers all using MovableType. All interlinking each other, a virtual network was set up overnite.
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07-29-2004, 06:07 PM
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I must say, I am glad he won too. I love his take on SEO.
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I've always had a pretty low opinion of the Search Engine Optimization industry. Though there are of course legitimate experts in the field, it seems chock full of people who are barely above spammers, and they taint the image of the whole group.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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07-30-2004, 01:02 AM
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Anil Dash won by getting lots of high-quality links from on-theme sites, then? 
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07-30-2004, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by I, Brian
Anil Dash won by getting lots of high-quality links from on-theme sites, then? 
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I do not think you really can say on theme since all themed pages were "spam" themed on the fly.
he just had a larger distributed social network than John does.
I told John to get cooler, but he has to work on the 12 step thingie first...
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07-30-2004, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnScott
the most links from the most unique IP's/domains
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So I am assuming that the majority of your links came from the same IP.
I have been working on contents, because SEO expert are saying that this is the way. But, as I found out, it is for the long term, in the short term Anil's way seems to be THE solution.
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07-30-2004, 05:07 AM
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If I have, lets say 10 links, coming from the same website, do Google count them as 10 links or 1 link since they all come from the same IP?
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07-30-2004, 05:24 AM
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i would say somewhere inbetween. not as good as 10 links from 10 different sites but probably better than just one link.
they do have a localrank patent which will evidentally has the technology which would allow them to discount 9 of those links if they decided they wanted to
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07-30-2004, 05:48 AM
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I was being just a little sarcastic.
Anil dislikes the "spammy" nature of SEO, then wins a link-building competition via which technique?
Or was the Anil quote tongue-in-cheek in itself?
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07-30-2004, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by I, Brian
Or was the Anil quote tongue-in-cheek in itself?
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he was totally not being tounge in cheek
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07-30-2004, 07:44 AM
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I added a comment on his page, after that I can't see any more comments, oh, I see, it exceeds 100K limit. 
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07-30-2004, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by awall19
I told John to get cooler, but he has to work on the 12 step thingie first...
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LOL 
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07-30-2004, 02:58 PM
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Hehe... LOL
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07-30-2004, 08:42 PM
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Aaron, I went to visit your Seobook website, and foud out it is actually a blog.
I am tinking about starting one.
Do you have any advice or pointer to choose a web log hosting. - Blogger
Typepad
Squarespace
etc
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07-30-2004, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanboucher
Aaron, I went to visit your Seobook website, and foud out it is actually a blog.
I am tinking about starting one.
Do you have any advice or pointer to choose a web log hosting. - Blogger
Typepad
Squarespace
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if you are trying to do it on the cheap then blogger now works well. recently they did an upgrade that makes each post its own page.
one thing MovableType / Typepad has over Blogger is that they also offer categories.
I use both of those and have not tried any of the other services.
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07-30-2004, 11:29 PM
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This is another quote from the same post that John quoted from.
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There's a part of me that's always felt that, if you're a professional at a certain trade, and I can come in as an amateur and do better than you, then you probably suck. Generally, it's an ethic that I'm reminded of when I see amateur hour at a comedy show or when I find myself in a low-end art gallery. "I could do better than this." If this is your trade and you can't beat someone who came in at the last minute to enter a contest that's gotten the attention of nearly everyone in your field, it's time to rethink your strategy
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I laughed and then I laughed some more because not only is it funny as hell, it's also very true. His comment above was in response to an article that essentially said he ruined the contenst for everyone else and had no business being in it.
http://www.hunterhost.com/articles/n...marine-02.html
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07-30-2004, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rivux
http://www.hunterhost.com/articles/nigritude-ultramarine-02.html
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while we are looking at the man who did not belong we may as well look at the man who did :wink:
http://www.hunterhost.com/articles/n...marine-03.html
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