New SEO Concept - Page 2

John Scott · 09-12-2004, 01:47 PM

If creating networks was in fact a useful concept, I think I'd most likely be doing it. But it's not a good idea, IMO. Instead of being in a position of having to generate enough links to create legitimacy for one website, it puts you in the position of having to generate enough links to create legitimacy for multiple websites.

If I need to fill a car's gas tank with fuel, building a gas station is not the smartest thing I can do.

Let's say I own ABC.com. Now, following your logic, I set up ABC-Directory.com and have ABC-Directory.com link to ABC.com to create link popularity for ABC.com.

This presents a problem. Problem being, ABC-Directory.com doesn't have any link popularity to give to ABC.com.

So, being a genius, I now go out and buy thousands of links for ABC-Directory.com to create link popularity for it so that it may create link popularity for ABC.com.

At this point, you'd have to shoot yourself in the head because you just wasted all that money and all those links on a secondary site when you could have gotten all those links pointed to ABC.com in the first place.

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I think you are getting blinded by the feeling of being slighted

I'm pretty sure you know that statement is nowhere near to being accurate, and my guess is you just typed it to elicit a response from me. But on the odd chance that you actually believe that, I'll let myself be amused.

George Ahrens · 09-12-2004, 05:42 PM

Well, I follow the logic of what you say. Yet I'm watching a few
people that sell advertising on their network of sites according
to the clients keywords. I'm stunned how many targeted niche
sites someone has to offer.

Some SEO companies are also in that market. Their advantage
as well their clients advantage is, you can basically throw any
newly build site at their network and the new site will be up and
running in a matter of weeks.

It's desirable to own a network, not only for any of your new sites
you're going to jump-start in the future - it's also incredible revenue
to jump-start other people's sites.

The weak point in all of that approach is you don't really want to buy
your incoming link popularity -- initially. That would be crazy.
It boils down to 'advanced forms' of having people link to your
network center site, that in turn feeds your other sites.

The distilled question will be: "What do I have to offer, so you will
contact me and ask to link to me?" Now at this point there are two
possibilities, one of it is to think it's never going to happen.

Second one is to look at it from a 360 angle perspective and evaluate
the possible benefits for everybody involved. The key is to give bigger
benefits than you ask in return.

George

awall19 · 09-12-2004, 06:12 PM

IMHO sites for the sake of sites or creating a network works really well in stuff that you usually need to use aggressive techniques in...stuff like casino or porn or pill or credit.

I do firmly believe in a multibranded approach to web success...any business should not have all of their fruit in just one basket. I think each site should be unique and useful though.

cltwebs · 09-12-2004, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by awall19

I do firmly believe in a multibranded approach to web success...any business should not have all of their fruit in just one basket. I think each site should be unique and useful though.

That what I try to do with many of my network of sites trying to offer something unique on each site and integrate cross advertising between the sites to build the network.

ferret77 · 09-13-2004, 06:20 AM

"If creating networks was in fact a useful concept, I think I'd most likely be doing it"

your not? you don't own numerous disccussion forum sites which all link back to this site

I was sort of under the impression that the bluefind directory in its early stages was a sort of whose who of your sites

I would imagaine not too many have your name on the dns but ....

whats the definition of a network , ? I mean sites don't have to be chained togather to be affilated

Actually come to think of it I kind of remeber you saying somthing in the private seo forums started with "by a bunch of cheap hosting"...

I think if the person hadn't been trying to put down gettting listings in your directory you wouldn't have paid him any mind at all

Its ok, he hurt your feelings and now you have to lash out

let it all out we are here for you

"IMHO sites for the sake of sites or creating a network works really well in stuff that you usually need to use aggressive techniques in...stuff like casino or porn or pill or credit."

You havn't really defined network, It usually seems to mean a bunch of sites owned by one entitity, person , or company. Or is ther a different definition

George Ahrens · 09-13-2004, 06:41 AM

I agree. I only really see a point in sites with a purpose
and unique content. Automated page generators sell well
right now, haven't seen one that really convinced me tough.
The word "network" has a few associative meanings, and
people come up with stuff they personally associate with it.

I couldn't care less about replica sites and mlm-networks.
What I like about "networks" is the "family-background"
that search engines associate with them. There's nothing
that's more lost than a single site on the net.

There is someone that will do a experiment soon to
jump start a new site, that will open with a PR8 after first
indexing. You need quite a few sites to make that happen.
That's what I mean with the word 'network'. You don't need
one, then again I never heard of a site that opens with a 8.
Let's see how that turns out.

I, Brian · 09-13-2004, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by George Ahrens

I never heard of a site that opens with a 8.

You're not well acquainted with John Scott then.

John Scott · 09-13-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ferret77

"If creating networks was in fact a useful concept, I think I'd most likely be doing it"

your not? you don't own numerous disccussion forum sites which all link back to this site

I was sort of under the impression that the bluefind directory in its early stages was a sort of whose who of your sites

I would imagaine not too many have your name on the dns but ....

whats the definition of a network , ? I mean sites don't have to be chained togather to be affilated

Actually come to think of it I kind of remeber you saying somthing in the private seo forums started with "by a bunch of cheap hosting"...

I think if the person hadn't been trying to put down gettting listings in your directory you wouldn't have paid him any mind at all

Its ok, he hurt your feelings and now you have to lash out

let it all out we are here for you

"IMHO sites for the sake of sites or creating a network works really well in stuff that you usually need to use aggressive techniques in...stuff like casino or porn or pill or credit."

You havn't really defined network, It usually seems to mean a bunch of sites owned by one entitity, person , or company. Or is ther a different definition

Ferret, I do own a lot of websites, and most of them link to sevenseek or v7n or v7inc, but that is not their purpose. I own and operate those websites for the ad revenue or for the sponsorships.

The "new SEO concept" that we are discussing here is creating websites for the purpose of creating link popularity, in lieu of getting links from websites owned by others.

If you really think that it works like that, I'd suggest you try it and see just how unproductive the concept really is.

NFFC · 09-13-2004, 02:47 PM

I think "opportunity cost" is a concept lost to many webmasters, I think that is a shame, it is one industry that should really be in tune with the concept.

Decent explaination here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

ferret77 · 09-13-2004, 03:53 PM

"The "new SEO concept" that we are discussing here is creating websites for the purpose of creating link popularity, in lieu of getting links from websites owned by others.

If you really think that it works like that, I'd suggest you try it and see just how unproductive the concept really is."

its working out ok , but I havn't been doing it long enought to really tell

I take a bunch of pics of some stuff , make a site, that i like throw some adsense on it , add a link directory

send some link requests and voila

if pr ever updates it will be a nice pr 4-5 site just for me

not a huge amount of pr, but hey once the intial day or so of building the site is done , pretty miuch free

I was under the impression thats what most seo companies do

create informational resource sites then channel pr to their customer sites

I was just figured most seo companies are an idea guy , with like 2 - 20 low wage college kid web designers churning out site after site

awall19 · 09-13-2004, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ferret77

I was just figured most seo companies are an idea guy , with like 2 - 20 low wage college kid web designers churning out site after site

college kids or people working from India...

John Scott · 09-13-2004, 09:02 PM

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I take a bunch of pics of some stuff , make a site, that i like throw some adsense on it , add a link directory

send some link requests and voila

Why do you create another site? If your purpose is to generate link pop for your primary site, why ask people to link to the secondary site instead of the primary site? Seems a bit counter productive.

(I'm speaking from experience - I used to own Internet-Hosting-Report.com and HostDetective.net, and got rid of those because I'd rather have people linking directly to v7n.com instead of to some secondary site.)

ferret77 · 09-14-2004, 05:46 AM

"why ask people to link to the secondary site instead of the primary site? Seems a bit counter productive."

They tend to link to both or 20 at a clip, sometimes they link to all 80

mostly because I gain link pop from trading links

therefore

I can only get one per site usually

so if I say I have 20 sites then I can get 20 links from one site

one for each of my sites

I can then also then also link those to whatver sites I want

plus its sort of fun making the sites

John Scott · 09-14-2004, 06:39 AM

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They tend to link to both or 20 at a clip, sometimes they link to all 80

Interesting. I'd never link to 80 sites at once. You must have a persuasive way about you.

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mostly because I gain link pop from trading links

That's probably where we differ the most. I've never found reciprocal linking to be the most productive way to spend my time. To each his own, I guess.

ferret77 · 09-14-2004, 11:22 AM

"Interesting. I'd never link to 80 sites at once. You must have a persuasive way about you. "

I think its more greedy guts on the requesters part

that and other seo and link buiding people using my sites as jump of point

There is actually an indian company that charges like 4.00 or something to trade a link

evertime they get a new client they trade with all my sites, and charge them like a few hundred bucks, its sort of funny

on a good week I trade ... quite a few links

I suppose I will keep doing it until it stops working

Awall , I got knocked back down to like around 50, still ahead of you though

I have to go back to working on "website design" before I slip of the front page