New SEO Concept

John Scott · 09-02-2004, 07:07 PM

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I don't need to spend $50 for a directory listing like BF - I can slap a directory script on a domain, feed it PR from my networks, vomit DMOZ into the template and list my sites advantageously - and for less than $50. In fact, if I put adsense etc on it - they turn a profit.

This concept comes from another SEO forum.

Can anybody tell me why it's a worthless concept?

Ferre · 09-02-2004, 07:48 PM

How old is the person who invented this unique concept John?

That's not serious is it?

SN3 · 09-02-2004, 07:50 PM

My thought too - is he insane?!?!?

John Scott · 09-02-2004, 09:03 PM

Funny thing that he/she neglects to realize that:

1. A link network w/o links from outside the network doesn't generate pagerank - it just spreads it around.

2. If he/she does all that for just $50, he must be paying himself/herself no more than $0.25 per hour. That's a lot more work than I'd do for just $50.

awall19 · 09-02-2004, 09:23 PM

kinda tempts me to write a 12 page ebook...

perhaps by the title of

PAGERANK MAGIC!!!

I, Brian · 09-03-2004, 07:01 AM

The point about directories is that you get a good spread of IPs, among quality links, and decent PR to boot.

I'm not convinced that any SE is going to see a DMOZ clone as "authoritative", and I've often wondered if the clones are tagged as duplicate content anyway - after all, a condition of use of the DMOZ data is to display the DMOZ submission form at the bottom of every page. And that makes a vary good flag that says "I'm a DMOZ clone - filter me out of the SERPs!".

cltwebs · 09-07-2004, 07:17 PM

LOL... That was most off the wall statement I've read in a while.

John Scott · 09-07-2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cltwebs

LOL... That was most off the wall statement I've read in a while.

Yup. I thought most SEO was just common sense, but this concept proves me wrong. I guess there really are people out there that are ignorant of the principles that determine SE rankings.

awall19 · 09-07-2004, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

Yup. I thought most SEO was just common sense, but this concept proves me wrong. I guess there really are people out there that are ignorant of the principles that determine SE rankings.

to some people 50 dollars is worth 20 hours of work and recurring hosting fees...to each their own

TGR · 09-07-2004, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by awall19

to some people 50 dollars is worth 20 hours of work and recurring hosting fees...to each their own

prashant_srivastava · 09-08-2004, 05:44 AM

Blue Find is a worthy directory and i hear from many people and my personal experiance is also that it's worthy to submit in a paid inclusion coz there is no chance for spam and the sites are listed are of worth this is benificial for both consumer got good stuff from Blue Find Type of Directory and site owner get good customer from listing. in my view it is more worthy then sumitting free in to 100 Free directories .

jebby · 09-08-2004, 11:59 AM

What kind of reaction did the person get on that other forum? I can't imagine too many people actually bought into that idea...

rustybrick · 09-09-2004, 06:27 AM

I think $50 is worth submitting to a directory owned by John Scott. Who cares if it passing PageRank or not. The main thing is that John Scott runs it.

Sarcasm because I am not sure if this thread needs an answer.

I, Brian · 09-09-2004, 11:35 AM

Hi rustybrick - nice to see you back.

rcjordan · 09-09-2004, 11:53 AM

With a properly tuned directory script (pure static) cleaned of all tell-tale fingerprints, his own spider-to-database (who needs the dmoz dump -go get the real stuff), and a combination of affiliate and adsense revenue, I know of a fellow who's made solid 5-digit money this year off the directory portion of his sites alone.

ferret77 · 09-09-2004, 04:49 PM

"A link network w/o links from outside the network doesn't generate pagerank -"

where in the quote does it say there are no links from the outside?

If have about 100 sites all with pr and I point them all at my dmoz clone

why wouldn't that generate pr for the directory?

I can install a dmoz or amazon cloneing site in like 20 minutes, and hosting costs me < .50 a gig , and I don't even lease a whole server

John Scott · 09-10-2004, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ferret77

"A link network w/o links from outside the network doesn't generate pagerank -"

where in the quote does it say there are no links from the outside?

If have about 100 sites all with pr and I point them all at my dmoz clone

why wouldn't that generate pr for the directory?

I can install a dmoz or amazon cloneing site in like 20 minutes, and hosting costs me < .50 a gig , and I don't even lease a whole server

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feed it PR from my networks

His/her own networks won't even have PR w/o external links, and since he/she doesn't believe in getting external links, they are most likely PR0.

And , Ferret77, which is cheaper? A one time fee of $50 to get listed in BlueFind, or $10 a month hosting ($120 per year), plus domain registration ($10) plus time to design/code a link directory ($1000) plus link buiulding to create PR7/PR8 for your directory so it's worth something ($12,000).

To anybody who's not a half wit, BlueFind looks like a bargain.

George Ahrens · 09-11-2004, 12:09 AM

I agree with the last statement regarding BlueFind and bargain.
Trouble is there aren't dozens of bluefinds, i.e. directories that
provide the same benefits and reasonable prices.

Basically this is a marketing opportunity for people that are able
to create networks -- and lots of them. It takes some form of
joint venture and scheduled content creation from multiple suppliers.
Or in the case of directories: advertisers.

Comes back to the question, how do I launch a network? I need a
high ranking network to launch a network....
Although I have a convincing theory how to do this without extreme
sums on a small budget, ...haven't read a case study yet of how
other people done it. Guess once it works, you don't want to talk
about it, just repeat the process.

awall19 · 09-11-2004, 01:32 AM

to launch a network I think one of the best ways is to have at least one decent site that feeds into some of the othe parts of the networks.

few directories have as much link popularity as BlueFind has, but there are a ton of worthwhile directories out there IMHO

ferret77 · 09-12-2004, 01:46 PM

for one link its a bargain

its a cost effective way for gettting one good pr link

which makes more sense then creating the whole network thing etc

but as a 'seo concept'

making the 100 sites and pointing them somewhere makes more sense

I bought a few links in bluefind but I don't really think I'm going to buy 80 of them for each one of my sites,

I would much rather have 50 reciprical viagra or casino links over one high pr link

"I can slap a directory script on a domain, feed it PR from my networks, vomit DMOZ into the template and list my sites advantageously - and for less than $50. In fact, if I put adsense etc on it - they turn a profit. "

If you remove the first part it makes perfect sense to me, In fact I think I might do something like that for the hell of it

I think you are getting blinded by the feeling of being slighted

that and the fact that the person who wrote this, I'm sure doesn't have a network that can generate pr like bluefind has. So basically they are full of **** , but other then taht it makes sense to me