Textlinkbrokerage.com

[randfish]

Sorry Gingerbread - I just noticed some clones of WilliamC pop up at SEOChat to defend his points and I'm just being wary.

I actually have direct experience with something like this, as I was kicked off a webmaster board a few months ago - but, I deserved it!

I had been operating a site with a reciprocal links page that had the robots.txt blocking access to the page for spiders. It was a very bad, deceptive move and despite cleaning it up as soon as someone caught me, I definitely deserved explusion. See http://forums.seochat.com/t15002/s.html

If I have mistakenly slandered textlinkbrokerage, I'll be happy to clean up all my posts. I'd just like some members I recognize from the past to come forward to defend the service - otherwise it's hard to justify... I'm sure you understand.

[Gingerbread]

Of course I understand. I just dont agree with people making judgements on others because so and so said this about them. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate that yourself. This is what I mean about open forums and the influence people can have on others. You are far better finding out yourself and coming to your own conclusion about someone. This does not mean buy into their services by the way, it just means dont take on other peoples opinions without at least finding things out about others first. Peoples reputations can get damaged unjustly. It could easily happen to me or you.

This is of course my way of looking at things.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Gingerbread

Wow, you are very easily led arn't u. I think when it comes to open forums you should keep an open mind on things. Open forums means open opinions which means you should be careful about what and who you are listning to.

WilliamC's reputation is due to his own statements, not the statements of anybody else.

[Gingerbread]

Well, all I have seen so far is that you in particular seem to have a personal dislike for WilliamC. I have drawn this conclusion from reading other threads on this forum. Thats fair enough, we all have our preferences with who we like and who we dont. This is an open forum, and people discuss what they like within reason, but, as I am sure you are aware, for those who don't know much about others who find their names mudded in an open discussion, it influences peoples opinions. Fair enough, you believe WilliamC has the repuation you have said he has because of his own statements, however, you are stating this, which is your opinion from a history of encounters you have had with him, I for one have not, therefore, I will not be easily led into believing a person is a certain type just because you say he is.

I guess, its having a bit of respect for others and allowing people to come to their own conclusions. However, like I said, no one is forced to do that in an open forum. I tend to look at things from both sides and imagine if it was my reputation that was getting the "bad press" as they say.

That is just my opinion however, its always difficult to know what to believe, however, if you have the facility to find out using other resources, you have a better chance of drawing a more accurate conclusion.

Anyway...I'm waffling.

[John Scott]

Gingerbread,

It's rather simple. Do your homework, open your mouth. I'm sure that many people posting here have done their homework, i.e., read posts by made WilliamC over the last year or so, and then come to the conclusion that he's a pathological liar.

[Gingerbread]

"It's rather simple. Do your homework, open your mouth"

Yes, fair enough in an ideal world, however, its not an ideal world as we know.

"he's a pathological liar"

tsk, this is what I mean, your conclusion again, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to cause trouble, but it can be quite damaging to boldly state such things about another person, whether it be WC or yourself or anybody.

I dont want to bore you, but heres a little example:

My first day at work a few years ago, I was working with a certain person who people had strong opinions of, I asked people about this person, and was told that I am to find out for myself rather than other people slagging them off to me without me first knowing something about that person myself. I was impressed that they didnt jump at the chance to downgrade someone because that was their own opinion of them, as far as they were concerned, my opinion could turn out to be different to theirs. Fair enough. I did find out for myself, and their opinions in this case were right, however, it didnt mean that I was going to slag that person off when the next newbie came along, I was going to let them find out for themselves, which I did, and in turn, the new person had a very different experience than I did and they got on fine. It isnt down to me to influence my judgements on another person.

Anyway, I think I've said enough on the subject and stated what I wanted to get across.

[John Scott]

Gingerbread

Like I said, do your homework. Come to your own conclusions.

[Gingerbread]

Thankyou.

[anonymous1]

Hi Guys,

I have signed up anonymously on this forum for fear of retaliation from William. John is literally my hero for standing up to the guy. I personally have too much to loose to risk publicly saying anything negative about William. I am not one to talk bad about someone, but I do not want to see what happened to me happen to others.

For the last -- months I have been afraid to post anything that was anti-william as we have been afraid that he would retaliate.

I really cant tell you too much about myself or my business, as it will be very easy for him to figure out who we are. We are very much in fear of retaliation even though we have done nothing wrong.

If you value your business and your sanity, do not deal with him...



---- I have edited the rest of this post as I feel it may give too much information. John is right, more of us should come forward with our testomials, unfortunatly I simply have way too much to risk at the moment. ---- sorry

[John Scott]

Welcome to the forum. I really wish those people who have been scammed by WilliamC would post as with verifiable contact info. There are several regular members of this forum who've been scammed by him, and they all seem to want to avoid confronting him publicly because of his tactics. All I can say is, do it. Think about the other people he's ripping off, and do it.

[randfish]

John -

There certainly is a lot of work to do if one wants to investigate this person's firm and his business practices. Do you think you could spend 5-10 minutes putting together a comprehensive list of his most egregious faults and the reasons why you have come to believe as you do.

I think it would be a boon to the community to have something objective and concrete with as many examples & links as possible in order to make the best decision on this.

By the way, I was in error about the clones of WilliamC - they are simply members or mods at his forum. Any full disclosure offered by gingerbread would also be appreciated, as it's relatively clear where everyone else is coming from.

FULL DISCLOSURE - Jarrod from textlinkbrokers is serving an account that I manage for another company. In addition, he has provided several links to my sites in exchange for his link in my signatures.

[Gingerbread]

"Any full disclosure offered by gingerbread would also be appreciated"

What do you mean by that?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by randfish

By the way, I was in error about the clones of WilliamC - they are simply members or mods at his forum. Any full disclosure offered by gingerbread would also be appreciated, as it's relatively clear where everyone else is coming from.

Hi Randfish on which forum is it that WilliamC owns that I moderate on ?

[John Scott]

Janeth,

I unbanned you because you wanted to post an obnoxious message. Post it or leave.

[janeth]

So your saying that no one is aloud to say or ask any questions ?

I´m sorry I thought you were trying to prove your side of the story.

My bad I will leave now.

[John Scott]

To John Scott,

John I would post this on your forum or send it to you by mail but as you know you have banned me. Not from anything I have said or done but just because of the people I hang around.

I know your sitting there reading all these people talking about you, so I thought this would be the best way to do this.

Right now you have a lot of people fooled, just because you can not find any real customers with problems is not that big a deal. Every time someone ask for a real customer just say he is a pathological liar like you have been doing.

The problem now is you signed up as anonymous1 on your forum and started posting. You have this guy set up as someone scared to death with his face blacked out.

I do not think anyone is going to fall for this. There is just no way someone is that stupid in real life. I think you would be better off to buy a lot of domain names host them and then you can sign up as a lot of different people with problems.

Put the pipe down and put a little thought into this.

You indicated that you wanted to post that, and that's why I unbanned you. Why not post it? Because it makes you sound like an arse?

[Jazzee]

I saw the email address used by anonymous1 to register, and it belongs to a valid website. The IP is also a valid IP from a southern state, and John is in Seattle.

[John Scott]

By the way, I saw the email address, too. When somebody signs up with a username like that, that's the first thing I look at. He's changed the email address now, but he did sign up with a real email address which gave me a good idea of who it is. If he hadn't used a real email addy, I wouldn't allow the post.

[hatchet]

The problem now is you signed up as anonymous1 on your forum and started posting. You have this guy set up as someone scared to death with his face blacked out.

I have no direct stake in this conversation, other than my friendship with JohnScott, but I will affirm that Johns and anonymous1s' ip's are totally different.

[ferret77]

why are people scared of williamc or anyone