Doing very good on Yahoo, but lousy on Google

Runilo · 12-11-2004, 10:20 AM

My site www.thehumorpage.com (I know the design is terrible and will change now) is not showing on google at all, but on yahoo i'm in the top 10 and 5 for almost all of my keywords.

The strange part however, is that the pages of my site that show well in yahoo are those with no backlinks to them. Meaning that the only links pointing to those pages are the ones on the site itself, internal links.

When i do search on yahoo for The Humor Page, which is the anchor on all of my backlinks, pointing to the main page only, i am nowhere to be seen. I only show up very good on the terms with no backlinks, and please mind, these are fairly competetive terms. It has been like this for a month and is giving me decent traffic.

try the terms Funny Sport Pictures or Free Humor Videos.

Is yahoo not as much, or very little dependent on backlinks?

gorillaboy · 12-11-2004, 10:30 AM

Links...links...links!

yeah, Yahoo! is more dependant on on-page factors.

RLRay · 12-11-2004, 04:38 PM

Yahoo gives on-page factors more weight, but I know that as I've run my link development campaign, my ranking in Yahoo has consistently gone up with my number of backlinks. I don't have much luck with Google with most of my sites either.

jstcrzyengh · 12-11-2004, 05:00 PM

Well, when I see your site and look at the google toolbar it shows the PR rank as shaded. I was under the impression that if it is shaded that means you have been banned from Google. Also Google shows 36 links for you, however 90% of them are from your own site. Wowdirectory and v7n is showing, but that appears to be about it. I would first look at design structure, adding more on page content, and work on getting PR based links. Not for PR specifically, but if they have a PR base you know Google likes them

Also DMOZ has a lot to do with Google.

Dave Hawley · 12-11-2004, 06:39 PM

You have a Toolbar PR of 6 for your homepage, that is quite good. However, one cannot really rely on Toolbar PR as being accurate.

Google has about 276 of your site pages in its Index.

From what I can see it is the lack of links from other sites that you are missing. Most of your links are from your own site and forum signatures, both will account for very little.

I don't believe DMOZ and Google have much in common at all. A link in DMOZ is of no higher quality than any other, with all being equal. I would spend a LOT of time seeking out links that you believe would be of interest to your site visitors. Link to them, then drop an email asking them to link to you. Forget about PR (unless greybar) and when requesing a link back, make the email somewhat personal, short, polite and to the point.

I would also go with more on page text than you have and drop the pics.

jstcrzyengh · 12-11-2004, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Hawley

You have a Toolbar PR of 6 for your homepage, that is quite good. However, one cannot really rely on Toolbar PR as being accurate.

Google has about 276 of your site pages in its Index.

From what I can see it is the lack of links from other sites that you are missing. Most of your links are from your own site and forum signatures, both will account for very little.

I don't believe DMOZ and Google have much in common at all. A link in DMOZ is of no higher quality than any other, with all being equal. I would spend a LOT of time seeking out links that you believe would be of interest to your site visitors. Link to them, then drop an email asking them to link to you. Forget about PR (unless greybar) and when requesing a link back, make the email somewhat personal, short, polite and to the point.

I would also go with more on page text than you have and drop the pics.

My toolbar must of been having a bad day when I saw the site

As far as DMOZ it is not that DMOZ by itself is that important, it's the hundreds, if not thousands of additional links it gets you from sites running the dmoz directory results. Also Google uses DMOZ a great deal. Hence why the condescending attitude of most of the DMOZ editors

You need more individual pages for Google. Right now I have a site where we are currently looking at about 200 individual links, and I wont be anywhere near happy, for google, until I hit about 1000

, and of course it is forever an ongoing thing.

Dave Hawley · 12-11-2004, 07:18 PM

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As far as DMOZ it is not that DMOZ by itself is that important, it's the hundreds, if not thousands of additional links it gets you from sites running the dmoz directory results.

Yes, but they all add up to a lot less traffic and PR than thousands of links from different on-topic sites. In other words, all of ODP downstream users will not be used to pass PR.

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Also Google uses DMOZ a great deal

It use to, but not anymore. googlebot, like most of SE bots, now simply use links from other sites.

I totally agree though that content is the single best insurance against a drop in traffic. That is, aim for 1000 hits from 100 pages rather than 1000 hits from 1 to 10 pages.