Recommend a good doorway page generator

bcyber · 01-31-2005, 01:40 AM

see title.

toddieg · 01-31-2005, 12:10 PM

you should probably try and stay away from doorway pages.... they're not the best idea.

MacroChap · 01-31-2005, 01:11 PM

I would strongly recommend producing useful content and adding it to your website as a genuine resource. I have articles written for my website by a team of journalists who will write to my keyword specifications. You have nothing to worry about (in terms of penalties etc) if you create good stuff, and it can be just as focused in terms of seo. Look at my news pages for an example http://www.duport.co.uk/company-form...news/index.htm

bcyber · 01-31-2005, 11:14 PM

Recommend a good doorway page generator....i see nobody likes to share useful info. I guess that's how it goes.

awall19 · 02-02-2005, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bcyber

i see nobody likes to share useful info. I guess that's how it goes.

more like most people do not use such tools. currently I am not using any doorway generators, but a few options 4 you...

top of the heap
http://www.articlebot.com/

a few other well known doorway generators
rssequalizer
traffic equalizer

Buskerdoo · 02-02-2005, 07:38 AM

So, Awall19, so you think highly of articlebot or are you promoting the site?

**G10** · 02-02-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bcyber

Recommend a good doorway page generator....i see nobody likes to share useful info. I guess that's how it goes.

What useful info?

The reason people aren't commenting is because they understand that this can do more damage to your site (and reputation) than good.

Building doorway pages sounds like a good idea as it means that you can rate pretty good for your specific terms, agreed.

In the same token, they can also get you in hot water with search engines and you have to weigh up the risks.

Doorway pages are a good sales ploy used by SE companies calling you up and hoping that you don't have any knowledge about SEO so that they can convince you they are a good thing and build you loads for a fee.

If you get into trouble, they are ok, it is you that Search Engines will ban not them.

Read Google's and other search engines guidelines on this and see what you think.

awall19 · 02-02-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Buskerdoo

So, Awall19, so you think highly of articlebot or are you promoting the site?

I have heard positive things about it. the only doorway generator that creates legit readable and original content

I have not used it and have no affiliation (or at least that I know of) with the author.

imaginemn · 02-02-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by awall19

I have heard positive things about it. the only doorway generator that creates legit readable and original content

I have not used it and have no affiliation (or at least that I know of) with the author.

But is it worth the $497 for random content? Sounds like an easy way to get your site penalized or banned. I did a search on google and many affiliates selling no longer sell the product but insist that it works.

I do find it interesting that the first thing you see on the site is that their "January ends on a BIG UPSURGE! From zero to 800 visits a day" but when you look at their web stats on the bottom of the page they only average about 40 per day. How can you go from 800 to 40 in less than a month? Can anyone say "paid traffic"?

http://www.sitemeter.com/default.asp...ebot&report=36

Webposition gold 3 by WebTrends is supposed to do this but did not see anything in their features list.

http://www.webposition-gold.com

There are no real shortcuts in business. It takes long hours, hard work and dedication to succeed. If you find a quick and easy solution in the end it may cost you more than it's worth. Most SE's state on their site that they do not like doorway pages so IMO, I would not pursue it. The only people getting rich and being successful are the people selling these type of tools.

imaginemn

**G10** · 02-02-2005, 12:41 PM

I agree imaginemn,

How many web pages are indexed across search engines for www. articlebot.com (link broken on purpose as I am not here to promote them)

Yahoo = 13
Alltheweb = 13
Altavista = 13
MSN = N/A
Google = 31

If they are going to sell a product that generates lots of pages for you, it may be an idea for the company selling it to use it themselves, or are they scared as they have also read the guidelines provided by search engines?

Just my take on it anyway.

awall19 · 02-02-2005, 07:09 PM

is $497 worth it for random content....

well if it reads good and you know how to build link popularity cheap for expensive topics I bet it is. its not for everyone though...

articlebot · 02-10-2005, 12:27 AM

1) Article Bot is now $49.99 per month or only $39.99 per month for "TE" or "WM" users.

2) Article Bot content ends up the way you want it. If you want "bannable" (is that a word?) content, you can get it. If you don't, you don't have to. It's not like "others", for example, where it just spits out linked up keywords with scraped results.

3) The content is not simply "random". It CAN be, but it can also be completely LEGITIMATE content that is only "random" where you want it to be. There are many degrees of randomness, by the way. You can choose your level with Article Bot.

4) We dropped our Affiliate program with ClickBank and switched to a new one this week. It is two-tiered. We have some Affiliates making a TON of cash on Article Bot.

5) The image you referred to with the "Zero to 800" is not about US. That is one of our USERS. Their site went from zero (literally) to over 1000 hits a day. Nothing but Article Bot behind that.

6) We have ZERO paid advertising. The only traffic we get is word of mouth. The site meter link you see is a new addition to the main page of the site this week, by the way. Also, we've only been online and selling Article Bot for, I guess, about 6 months. It's not surprising we don't have a ton of traffic yet. But, we will.

I do not agree with you about shortcuts. There are plenty of ways to work smarter, faster, and more effectively. Are there ways to get banned? Yes. But, keep this in mind:

Article Bot content leaves NO fingerprint. None.

If you know how to use it and you don't simply make "keyword spam" pages, there is nothing like Article Bot. Keep in mind that Article Bot can re-write an article. Think about that for a second. REWRITE an article.

And, that's just the first, tiniest feature.

I am not the best marketer in the world. In fact, you can tell by our site how BAD of a job we do. But, I suggest you look a little deeper at Article Bot if you're looking for content generation.

I think you'll find it does more than you can, well...

"imagine"

Hope this clarifies a few things.

Sincerely,
Don Harrold
thebot@articlebot.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaginemn

But is it worth the $497 for random content? Sounds like an easy way to get your site penalized or banned. I did a search on google and many affiliates selling no longer sell the product but insist that it works.

I do find it interesting that the first thing you see on the site is that their "January ends on a BIG UPSURGE! From zero to 800 visits a day" but when you look at their web stats on the bottom of the page they only average about 40 per day. How can you go from 800 to 40 in less than a month? Can anyone say "paid traffic"?

http://www.sitemeter.com/default.asp...ebot&report=36

Webposition gold 3 by WebTrends is supposed to do this but did not see anything in their features list.

http://www.webposition-gold.com

There are no real shortcuts in business. It takes long hours, hard work and dedication to succeed. If you find a quick and easy solution in the end it may cost you more than it's worth. Most SE's state on their site that they do not like doorway pages so IMO, I would not pursue it. The only people getting rich and being successful are the people selling these type of tools.

imaginemn

articlebot · 02-10-2005, 12:30 AM

1) We do not claim to be SEO guys. In fact, we ARE NOT. We don't know jack squat about "optimizing" pages. What we DO KNOW is that whatever you need to optimize your pages, Article Bot can do it.

2) That said, we've only been online for about 6 months. That's the main reason you see no links to us.

3) We've only offered an Affiliate Program for about 1 month. That's reason #2 why you don't see links to us yet.

4) We have no fear of using Article Bot. We use it every day. But, you are correct: We should make our page more visible.

That's not our forte. We could REALLY use some help in the "marketing" department, for sure!

Sincerely,
Don Harrold
thebot@articlebot.com

QUOTE=G10]I agree imaginemn,

How many web pages are indexed across search engines for www. articlebot.com (link broken on purpose as I am not here to promote them)

Yahoo = 13
Alltheweb = 13
Altavista = 13
MSN = N/A
Google = 31

If they are going to sell a product that generates lots of pages for you, it may be an idea for the company selling it to use it themselves, or are they scared as they have also read the guidelines provided by search engines?

Just my take on it anyway.[/quote]

imaginemn · 02-10-2005, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by articlebot

1) Article Bot is now $49.99 per month or only $39.99 per month for "TE" or "WM" users.

Correct me if I am wrong, so instead of it being for a 1 time price of $497.00 it's now $599.40/yr? Where is the savings or was this always a yearly price? I suppose if you only use it for a month or two it would be ok.

Call me old fashion. I've been in marketing for around 20 years now. If you are agressively marketing your site this type of product may not be a good solution for you so I guess what I am saying it's not for everyone. I've seen too many companies like "this" come and go, over promise and under deliver because many automated solutions have it's limitations because people will expect more than a product can deliver. But then again that's what they said about microsoft and apple. You never know.

I will however go on the record and say I have NEVER used your products and/or services so I can NOT say it will or will not work. Unfortunatly the type of product you are offering sounds a little too good to be true type of product. I may be the best product in the market but you must admit it will be a hard sell.

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Originally Posted by articlebot

We don't know jack squat about "optimizing" pages. What we DO KNOW is that whatever you need to optimize your pages, Article Bot can do it.

I find this comment interesting. If you don't know how to optimize pages how can you program the code to optimize your pages? I am a fair person. I will admit when I am wrong so if I am proven otherwise I will be the first one to publicly congratulate you.

Good luck with this. It sounds like an interesting product.

imaginemn

**G10** · 02-10-2005, 09:39 AM

I take it that you have bought into some directories then dude.

MSN - Yahoo - Sevenseek etc.

If you are going to market your product and want people to see how good it is, it is worth spending money on directory listing for yourselves, no?

Anyway, back to the point here. I take it you are saying that this isn't a doorway page generator?

Though I must admit I like the sound of the product, I guess it is just taking articles one may already have and re-writing them so as to place emphasis on different words etc.

As for the fingerprint, it is definately a good thing that it doesn't leave one but the only issue I can foresee here is that if it is classed as a doorway page generator, it will be you guys that the search engines will penalise.

I am sure that this won't happen though, as long as it is marketed correctly.

Good luck with it dude.

articlebot · 02-10-2005, 01:17 PM

1) I'm not really sure what your point is about pricing. We spent a big "chunk of change" in development. I don't mean "a couple thousand", either. I'm talking about mid "six figures" - at least. Also, the features that Article Bot offers users are unmatched (and, "patent pending") by anything in the world. From the ability to re-write simple articles to generating 10,000 pages of legitimate content - to publishing an entire site with html and RSS versions (the list goes on and on). Not to mention the free articles we provide (orginally written by our staff) Article Bot users to do with as they please. And, our tech support is unmatched in the "seo" space (if that's the label folks want to attach to Article Bot - users can pick up the phone and get someone live. I mean, $497 is TOO CHEAP for what Article Bot does. Oh yeah, Article Bot works in ANY WESTERN CHARACTER ALPHABET BASED LANGUAGE - ie: Spanish, French, German, Italian, etc. I've only discussed some of the features here, but really, price is just not an issue I find relevant. Especially when most folks spend $49.99 a month on pizza, beer, or cigarettes.

2) Your statement that begins, "Call me old fashion" has three conditional and undefined statements that make it impossible to respond to. A) What is "old fashioned"? And, what does that have to do with anything? I am "old fashioned", if by "old fashioned" you mean, I do a hard days work and I am honest, and I try to treat everyone fairly, etc. But, as far as Article Bot is concerned, what does being "old fashioned" have to do with anything?

3) Article Bot may not be for everyone. That's true. Well, I guess. Anyone who writes articles of any type or works on web pages of any type should use Article Bot. For example, if you write a paragraph and want a fresh take on it, Article Bot can help you with that. In the "old fashioned" days folks would use a thesaurus. Article Bot can rewrite an entire piece of text. Now, the writers I've spoken to think this is an amazing (and long overdue) tool. The uses of Article Bot extend far beyond webpages and articles, too. A teacher could create a test for her class and have Article Bot give a different version of each test to each kid - no cheating on THAT test. Because Article Bot can manipulate whole blockes of text it easily re-writes things from one character on a page to an entire page at at time.

4) When you say "companies like 'this'" what do you mean? We are not "this" kind of company - if you mean, "seo". And, Article Bot does exactly what I say it does. If anything, we UNDER promise. We are VERY conservative in what we say it does. Now, here is an important point: We describe what Article Bot DOES, not the manner in which it is used. There are as many ways to use Article Bot in an incorrect and unproductive manner as not. But, that's product of the end user, not Article Bot. If you used Article Bot, you'd see that.

5) When you say, "Unfortunately the type of product you are offering sounds a little too good to be true type of product. I may be the best product in the market but you must admit it will be a hard sell," I think you may not see what I'm saying or I may not have been clear enough. We do NOT say anything that is "too good to be true". If you read what Article Bot does, you can surely see uses for that technology. We don't claim it does anything at all in terms of "results". What we show is what some users have experienced with their web pages. But, the "web" angle is just one "angle" on Article Bot. The marketing implications are staggering. The fact that any page you create with Article Bot can be a readable, understandable, legitimate page with NO FINGERPRINT cannot be overstated. That is not "unfortunate". That is AWESOME. What someone does with Article Bot, we cannot control. What they COULD do is powerful.

6) You ask, "If you don't know how to optimize pages how can you program the code to optimize your pages?" That's a great question. Because we did not create Article Bot to answer any "seo" need, we have something which CAN be used to opimize pages, but is not targeted at a particular optimization need. What WE know about "optimization" is limited. But, what I can tell you with 100% certainty is that anything a search engine can come up with to foil your optimization, Article Bot can most likely solve. If Article Bot was created to solve a particular "seo" problem, if the search engines (well, "when", is more likely) changed what they looked for, Article Bot would become obsolete. But, as it stands, if you know of something the search engines look for, you can find a solution with Article Bot.

I appreciate your comments. Please read what I say here as honest answers to your questions and opinions. If you get a minute, check out some of the demo stuff I've done with Aritcle Bot at http://www.articlebot.com/demosites.htm

These are not really "good" html, but please note the way Article Bot is used. EVERYTHING about each example page is created by Article Bot. Every single bit of code, text, rss feed, web results, image selection / placement, ad relevance to the topic of the page, etc, is ALL Article Bot.

Sincerely,
Don Harrold
thebot@articlebot.com

Good luck with this. It sounds like an interesting product.

imaginemn[/quote]

articlebot · 02-10-2005, 01:18 PM

We have not bought into anything. We did about 1 week of google adwords, but that's it. Wait, we did one press release, too. I agree that we should do a better job of marketing. But, that's not our strong suit, obviously. Hey, join our affiliate program and show us how it's done!

Sincerely,
Don Harrold
thebot@articlebot.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by G10

I take it that you have bought into some directories then dude.

MSN - Yahoo - Sevenseek etc.

If you are going to market your product and want people to see how good it is, it is worth spending money on directory listing for yourselves, no?

Anyway, back to the point here. I take it you are saying that this isn't a doorway page generator?

Though I must admit I like the sound of the product, I guess it is just taking articles one may already have and re-writing them so as to place emphasis on different words etc.

As for the fingerprint, it is definately a good thing that it doesn't leave one but the only issue I can foresee here is that if it is classed as a doorway page generator, it will be you guys that the search engines will penalise.

I am sure that this won't happen though, as long as it is marketed correctly.

Good luck with it dude.

imaginemn · 02-10-2005, 02:10 PM

Don, like I said. I don't mean to discredit your application. That is NOT my intention. I am sure it's great. Just the fact that you are here willing to discuss this openly shows that you care about the product. If I said anything to offend you, for that I am sorry. I was just making some observations. Some of the comments said by "me" were generic comments nothing specific to "you" or "your product".

You are right. $500/yr is nothing in the business world. I spend that a day with PPC. The problem that I have about automated text manipulation is the following example.

Quote:

Orignal text:
When you purchase a new car get any product under $20 FREE!

Automated generated text could potentially be:
Get a new FREE car when you purchase any product under $20!

There is also the typical problem of garbage in, garbage out. If the content is not well written to begin with your results will be terrible. That's the biggest problem with translation software today. But that's another topic all together.

I did notice that on your site you mention:

Quote:

To truly understand the sheer power of ArticleBot, ask yourself the following three questions. (If you answer yes to all three, you need to get your free demo of ArticleBot.)

I couldn't find a link to the demo or trail. Does one exist?

As I said before, it sounds like a very interesting product. But someone (like me) in marketing may not like this type of product based on the hypothetical example above. That's all I was trying to say.

I appreciate your honest answers and for you taking the time to answer my questions.

imaginemn