Title Tag Seo

[rtheodorow]

Does it help to place your keyword twice in the title tag. For example, if I put "keyword: business name + description (that included keyword twice)"

Does that help, hurt, make no difference?

Thanks!

[John Scott]

Doesn't hurt, but I don't see any benefit of using the same keyword more than once.

[rtheodorow]

Well, they want to optimize the site for a particuliar kw, which is also in the name of the center. I heard a rumor that keywords placed first in the <TITLE> pick up better with the SE's than one's later on.....so I placed it up front.

[gorillaboy]

It's good to put your keywords first but you don't need to repeat them. Having a few variations wont hurt though.

[nandini]

It seems doing little on page optimization and putting lots of good content helps more in terms of Google.

-- just my opinion --

[gorillaboy]

Originally Posted by nandini

It seems doing little on page optimization and putting lots of good content helps more in terms of Google.
-- just my opinion --

I think on-page factors have (slightly) more importance now with Google than in the past.

Although I consider "good content" part of that.

[Web Gazelle]

Originally Posted by rtheodorow

Does it help to place your keyword twice in the title tag. For example, if I put "keyword: business name + description (that included keyword twice)"

Does that help, hurt, make no difference?

Thanks!

I recently tested this and found that when I had the keyword in twice that google dropped me several places.

[longcall911]

Originally Posted by Web Gazelle

I recently tested this and found that when I had the keyword in twice that google dropped me several places.

I think you'd have to try that experiment 4 or 5 times to be sure. Google is constantly changing things therefor making it very difficult to attribute any one move in SERPs (up or down) to any one thing you may have done.

A few veteran SEOs have commented in various forums that it is extremely difficult to nail 'cause & effect' with Google. I tend to agree with that statement.

BTW: I use one of my KWs twice in the title. It seemed to help with Y! and M$N. I don't know if it did with Google, but I am #1 for my second most important phrase & #5 for most important in Google SERPs.

[pinkfluffybunny]

Why not do it so your visitors will get more information about where the link takes them and what they will find there. It's also nice to be 508 compliant.

And because you care so much about providing information to your quests maybe the search engines will care about you...lol

Of course it helps, but don't spam it, use it for the tool it was intended for. The search engines like good stuff and they are always trying to crack down on the so called seo wizards.

WhPut a little arrow next to it and link it and put in alt text - it's good for your visitors to find the link and helps with your frequency.

What's good for your guests is good for you, what's bad for your guests will bite you in the ass sooner or later.

[Web Gazelle]

All I know is more than once caused me to lose position in Google, so I go for just once.

[Waddle]

Yes, I would say only once in the title, then use "on page" in natural context is the best. Then get 500 links with your target keyword at the anchor text.

[Johan007]

I dont like it. I will not do it. But it does work!

[Web Gazelle]

Do what you want then, nobody can force you to do it. I aint going to hold a gun to head either.

[pinkfluffybunny]

I am always amazed by the beat the engine crowd.
They are always trying to scam the engines, and the engines are always trying to make it so legit sites get higher than the scammers.

The truth is most sites don't deserve to be ranked high!

rtheodorow I went to your site.
Ok let's say I want to buy it (whatever it is). Where are you located? You are one of those out in cyber space places with no known location. Will prospects do a whois to see West Lafayette, IN.
What are you selling?
Printers, web design, marketing?
Or anything that may made a buck?
Find out what you are going to sell, to who you are going to sell it and why they should buy it from you.

Start thinking good content, straight forward SEO, conversion rates and demographics.

Let the scammers worry about how to trick people into coming to a site that offers nothing they really want, or trys to get people to visit a site they didn't want to.

If you have a good product, just decent ranking, knowledge of who wants your product, where they go to look for it, a fair price and good support you will do well.

MSN is the leading search engine in Europe but no one who has a site in Europe even talks about it on this board...why?

I have never even seen "Nielsen NetRatings" even mentioned on a webmaster board.

My advise to the web marketers (designers) is learn to use demographics or you are just throwing up sites in the dark and optimizing cause you "think" it will help.

"Search Engine, Portals or Community Network Reach Estimate

MSN
41.9%

Google
32.3%

Yahoo!
26.0%

Freeserve
17.0%

Ask Jeeves
13.8%

AOL
12.6%

Friends Reunited
8.9%

Lycos Network
8.0%

Tiscali
7.0%

Lycos Europe
6.4%"



You can get 5000 people to your site tomorrow. Hell those guys that sell you links because of their great site stats use the trick all the time but it won't sell your product.

Getting 10 people to your site a day that are looking for your product is worth 10,000 tricked into it.

[sundancerz]

yep..what that bunny said.

[rtheodorow]

Originally Posted by pinkfluffybunny

I am always amazed by the beat the engine crowd.
They are always trying to scam the engines, and the engines are always trying to make it so legit sites get higher than the scammers.

The truth is most sites don't deserve to be ranked high!

rtheodorow I went to your site.
Ok let's say I want to buy it (whatever it is). Where are you located? You are one of those out in cyber space places with no known location. Will prospects do a whois to see West Lafayette, IN.
What are you selling?
Printers, web design, marketing?
Or anything that may made a buck?
Find out what you are going to sell, to who you are going to sell it and why they should buy it from you.

Start thinking good content, straight forward SEO, conversion rates and demographics.

Let the scammers worry about how to trick people into coming to a site that offers nothing they really want, or trys to get people to visit a site they didn't want to.

If you have a good product, just decent ranking, knowledge of who wants your product, where they go to look for it, a fair price and good support you will do well.

MSN is the leading search engine in Europe but no one who has a site in Europe even talks about it on this board...why?

I have never even seen "Nielsen NetRatings" even mentioned on a webmaster board.

My advise to the web marketers (designers) is learn to use demographics or you are just throwing up sites in the dark and optimizing cause you "think" it will help.

"Search Engine, Portals or Community Network Reach Estimate

MSN
41.9%

Google
32.3%

Yahoo!
26.0%

Freeserve
17.0%

Ask Jeeves
13.8%

AOL
12.6%

Friends Reunited
8.9%

Lycos Network
8.0%

Tiscali
7.0%

Lycos Europe
6.4%"



You can get 5000 people to your site tomorrow. Hell those guys that sell you links because of their great site stats use the trick all the time but it won't sell your product.

Getting 10 people to your site a day that are looking for your product is worth 10,000 tricked into it.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask this...are you on something? That has NOTHING to do with my original question. I am not trying to spam, basically I have a healthcare site I am doing that has a specific keyword they would like to target. I wanted to put that keyword first in the title tag, because some SE's like that better. However this keyword just happens to appear in the center's tagline (of which they would also like to have in the title tag.) This isn't referencing my site at all.

btw though, I have around 35 local clients (most ARE in W. Lafayette)....and you can find my physical address by clicking on "Contact Us", much like other websites

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by pinkfluffybunny

MSN
41.9%

Google
32.3%

Yahoo!
26.0%

Freeserve
17.0%

Ask Jeeves
13.8%

AOL
12.6%

Friends Reunited
8.9%

Lycos Network
8.0%

Tiscali
7.0%

Lycos Europe
6.4%"

Uh, shouldnt those figures add up to 100%?

Maybe MSN is important in some other country, but in the US, the way it is now, MSN accounts for minimal if not near-non-existant traffic.

If you ask me, the one people dont pay enough attention to is Yahoo.

[pinkfluffybunny]

Uh O the bunny is trouble.
rtheodorow, I wasn't accusing anyone of specifically of search engine spamming I simply stating that there are people who think they can beat the engines by keyword spamming. There are many things search engines consider spamming like two sites with the same content, doorway pages, hidden text, (blog spamming is making it's way in ), registering multiple domain names to one site, etc, etc. Some get you banned, some penalized, all of it is considered spamming.

I didn't make up the stats they are reported by the Nielsen NetRatings, I didn't add them up I copied and pasted. Those results are from Europe.

Shawn that is a simplistic view of the search engines.

It also depends on how you measure usage. By hours used or searches. Also by what they count (sub-channels,searches at different sites may be combined into one overall figure for the company's entire network, etc).

The figures can range from 27% share google and 22% share MSN
to 43% google and 16% MSN

You optimize for the engines and groups you are targeting - Example:

“55% of women prefer MSN Search while a majority of men favor Google Search”.

A 2004 study indicated that MSN’s user profile consisted of time-limited, married females who searched less frequently yet performed greater e-commerce searches. While Google Search was favored by professional males who performed greater news, media, entertainment and education searches with a lesser intent to purchase.

For AOL and Ask Jeeves, AOL is favored by women with less buying intent than MSN Search while Ask Jeeves is preferred by children

Women find paid ads more attractive than men. women also represent 75% of major household purchases.

There are now more women surfing the web in the U.S. than men. Another study suggests that there are inherent differences in web usage between men and women, men spend the time to download software and make upgrades, while women seek ease of use and rely on the web to make their lives more efficient and productive.

So MSN would be very important to you if you were selling household goods.

Not so good for porn sites.

[Shawn]

Here ya go. This is far more accurate than pink bunnys post for US searchers: http://searchenginewatch.com/reports...le.php/2156451

Search
Engine

Searches
(Millions)


Percent Of All Searches
Google

1,923


47.1%
Yahoo

868


21.2%
MSN

523


12.8%
AOL

19