I think we all understand what he's doing is wrong. We don't owe him a chance to make it right, but let's be gracious and him that opportunity.
Good for our own karma.
Agreed dude.
Sometimes we don't know why people say things without thinking and we can only assume that something is going on in their life so as to cause them to shoot off without researching it.
Either that or they are complete idiots as they have decided to go along with the 'Chinese Whispers' scenario.
We got some good folk here and we are better than that and should definately give him the chance to explain this without jumping down his throat when he does.
What he did was wrong but let's take a step back and see why he said this in the first place.
Just to have it said - I am not on Mike's side here. Not in any way. All I am saying is that it is important to keep the conversation civil - on OUR side. This all boils down to a personal attack on John, THEN on the "community" as a whole.
I just think it would be wise to cool down the pace of posts regarding the whole thing until John has had time to figure out the intentions of the guy.
Well said, Basicus.
Michael, the attack on Mike Grehan's son did take place. There is no doubt about that. It was a horrible thing, and my sympathies are with the Grehans in that regard.
Just to have it said - I am not on Mike's side here. Not in any way. All I am saying is that it is important to keep the conversation civil - on OUR side. This all boils down to a personal attack on John, THEN on the "community" as a whole.
I just think it would be wise to cool down the pace of posts regarding the whole thing until John has had time to figure out the intentions of the guy.
Exactly, we are only assuming and that never does anyone any good.
I just think it would be wise to cool down the pace of posts regarding the whole thing until John has had time to figure out the intentions of the guy.
Let's see... After two months of slander and lies, we should wonder what his intentions are? Are you for real?
Anyone who has read other threads here knows fully well what happened with those Jill Whalen sites and that people involved were removed.
Just because someone disputes the way someone else does things, you would have to be pretty messed up to go around creating hate sites and if Mike had taken the time to understand how John works, he would have realised that John is more interested in moving his business forward and would see this as a childish exercise that serves no purpose in the progression of his business.
He would actually be wasting resources doing this.
Mike, you need to understand how the person thinks and works before you post this stuff.
There are articles on this forum that explain what happened and it would be an idea to read them before listening to idle gossip and making your opinion based on that dude as that method only serves to hurt people.
Understanding and forgiveness is a beautiful thing, and it's not just something we should receive, but it's something we have to give sometimes.
Isn't that noble? And kind and beautiful?
John, if you intended to play it like this, why did you get on yahoo and chat with me? You've only done it twice and both times you wanted something from me. I assume you were going to ask me to post in Grehan's blog, but I was already doing it, right? That's what friends do, John - and they don't have to be asked. So, all you had to do was say "thanks", right? Well, now I see what you were up to. You wanted me to tell this guy to go to hell so you could play the saint.
I find all this simply disgusting. If there was any justice (there isn't), this guy would be getting his ass handed to him and I would have nothing to bitch about. Instead, I'm defending myself because I have the nerve to speak the truth. Well, I'm not even remotely deterred. I've told people to go to hell with a gun to my head - and that's a fact, not some internet fantasy. I just can't abide this kind of crap, so I won't.
At the end of the day, I'm a warrior, not a politician. Screw appeasement and weak will. Screw playing nice. I piss on your conciliatory attitudes and political maneuvering.
Maybe you can all go to London and visit your buddy, hold hands, swap spit and take long walks in the park together. But you count me out.
It makes me physically nauseous, literally. There is nothing I despise more than someone that won't stand up for themselves. Then, to have the nerve to say "mellow out" and play this "forgiveness is beautiful" card after ASKING me to stand up for them. well, that's a bit much for this cowboy.
Kiss my ass, you fawning pussies. And fight your own battles, John. I'm not your pawn. Obviously, I don't appreciate the way you played me here. That was the last time, though, I guarantee it. And, you know what, John? I'm not confused about your intentions at all. You used me, plain and simple, so you could play the saint. You gutless piece of shit.
Brian, I'm still a pretty chilled out person, really. But the way that this Grehan person has been behaving towards John, in such a belitterent way and with such arrogance as he has done goes beyond anything that I have seen so far. Grehan is intelligent enough to know what effect his statements have in the industry that John is part of, if grehan likes it or not, and he has delibirately attempted to hurt John's reputation with blatant lies. That is evil and John happens to be one of my friends.
You know, it really makes me think I'm dealing with human trash. He dumps on me for not contacting him directly, and when I do, he chickens out.
I wasn't even rude to the guy. I just asked him what his intentions were in posting that libelous crap.
People are telling me that I need to be nice to him because he's high profile. I say fuc* that. I ain't playing no brown nose games. I'll respect the people who earn my respect.
John, how could this possibly surprise you? The guy went into this to follow Boser's lead without even having a clue about this contest, the rules or anything associated with it. I could have told you that it would turn out like that.
What do you think the guy would have to say to you in his defense?
"Call Greg Boser, he's the one who has told me what to say." ?
It needs saying that this entire thread is a real low point for v7n. A lot of the comments on this thread have been pretty appalling.
Disagreeing with Mike is one thing, but I'm pretty ashamed to see the degree of invective laid out here.
Ferre, I remembered you as a chilled out guy - I'm amazed to see you making such plain insensitive comments.
And Michael Allison, I have no idea who you are - but you've done nothing to show anything but your extreme ignorance about what you're talking about.
John, if Mike doesn't like you, that's no big deal. But throwing this subject into v7n has turned it into one big ugly pack frenzy.
Brian. Why do I feel something is missing here?
Oh, yes, a comment on the topic of the thread. That's what is missing. The thread is entitled "Mike Grehan" but I don't see you commenting on that at all, but you do choose to criticize folks.
You have the right to criticize the v7n community after we've been smeared in this cowardly fashion? I want to see your statement in regard to Mike Grehan trying to associate v7n with the criminals who attacked his son.
