vbseo - Page 2

joeychgo · 03-08-2006, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

That's why I want to try the hack - to cut down on the dup content.

If thats the only motive, dont buy it. You can make that happen yourself pretty easily, especially for someone experienced with working with code, like yourself.

Shut off the archive (it can be made into a sitemap via ADMINCP> vBulletin Options> Search Engine Friendly Archive> Display Simple View of Threads = NO

Add rel=nofollow tags to things like "Show Printable Version: Under Thread Tools and the ShowPost links -- You could also place that tag on things like member profiles, calender, register links, contact us links, etc....

However, I strongly advise against shutting down the archive and placing rel=nofollow tags on the member profiles.

Its my belief that search engines do not penalize a site for this kind of duplicate content. I believe google can recognize the difference between an archive page and a regular page, and simply will index either one or the other.

No penalty there I can see.

Let me ask it this way. Is there a reason you think the "duplicate content" pages are affecting this site?

IMO - the only thing vBSEO really gives you is the mod-rewrite, which will give you some keywords in threads. The archive gives you simple URLs so thats not an issue. People seem to think that the simple urls make some kind of a difference. I dont believe they do.

John Scott · 03-08-2006, 02:00 AM

Joey,

Two things. One, the archive is crap. vB archive is made specifically for the search engines, and the search engines can tell the difference. There are no outgoing links, no images, etc. It's crap.

And when people link to a they link to the the showthread.php version, not the archived version.

But here's the other thing. showthread.php?t=2579 ETC will never do as well as name-of-thread.html or name-of-thread.php in the SE's.

I noticed that when we were on Internet-Marketing-Research.net. We were running phpBB at the time, and when we rewrote the URL's to appear static, out traffic and rankings shot way up.

joeychgo · 03-08-2006, 02:17 AM

Thats why you doctor the archive a bit. Add a headerimage, and some links to other parts of your site. (I like to link to the forums)

vBulletin isnt PHPbb. vBulletin has no problem being spidered by google. This has been discussed and discussed. Many points of view on this subject really.

vbSEO -- is it worth the price ?

Is VBSEO worth the $149.00 cost?

Does vBulletin need SEO mods?

John Scott · 03-08-2006, 02:22 AM

Joey, I don't want people going to the archive at all. I know - I could do a redirect so that just the search engines see the archive and users would get redirected, but still users would link to the showthread.php version.

I would love it if vB issued an upgrade that rewrote the URL's to appear static.

joeychgo · 03-08-2006, 02:51 AM

Agreed, that would be the best of the best.

My biggest complaint about vBSEO is that people seem to think its a "magic pill" -- Buy this and you'll shoot to the top of the rankings. You and I know thats BS. Adding the Keywords to the URLS is a good thing, but beyond that, its SEO impact is minimal in my opinion. IMO the biggest problem with a forum like this using a mod-rewrite is that 'newbies' will think thats the easy way to go and that its necessary.

I see vbulletin sites rank very high all the time. I see vBulletin sites which have tons of indexed pages, none of which have vBSEO or any mod rewrite. Its my belief that most of the cause of poor ranking forums is lack of incoming links.

John Scott · 03-08-2006, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by joeychgo

Adding the Keywords to the URLS is a good thing, but beyond that, its SEO impact is minimal in my opinion. IMO the biggest problem with a forum like this using a mod-rewrite is that 'newbies' will think thats the easy way to go and that its necessary.

I don't even think it's the keywords in URL's. Keywords in URL help quite a bit in Yahoo, but for Google I think it just helps to have URL's that appear static. It's kind of stupid, but when we were on Internet-Marketing-Research.net using phpBB, the URL's were re-written to stuff like this:

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internet-marketing-research.net/forums/ftopic7991.html

No keywords, just static, and it helped more than I could have ever guessed.

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Originally Posted by joeychgo

I see vbulletin sites rank very high all the time. I see vBulletin sites which have tons of indexed pages, none of which have vBSEO or any mod rewrite. Its my belief that most of the cause of poor ranking forums is lack of incoming links.

Or poor quality incoming links. I think that poor link building can hurt a site more than lack of links. I have no definitive proof of that, but it's something I suspect based on a lot of observation.

joeychgo · 03-08-2006, 03:21 AM

Well, I dont think poor link building 'hurts' a site, but its basically just spinning your wheels. You get 100 incoming, but crappy links - and you basically wasted your time. You would have been better off getting 5 good links.

John Scott · 03-08-2006, 03:26 AM

Joey, I actually suspect something a little different.

http://www.search-marketing.info/new...nk-company.htm

Something like that. I know it's not a popular thing to suggest that inbound links can hurt you, but that is exactly what I suspect.

joeychgo · 03-08-2006, 03:47 AM

Well, Im sure there is a threshold. Meaning - if you have 90% incoming links that are crappy - maybe then It could hurt you. That would indicate a pattern and Google may look at that pattern and could trip a penalty.

sitetutor · 03-08-2006, 04:05 AM

Yeah, I definitely do believe that incoming links can hurt you ...

John Scott · 03-08-2006, 08:23 AM

I gotta admit, I love it so far. Love these URL's

joeychgo · 03-08-2006, 08:51 AM

errr - why does the register link still show even though im logged in?

John Scott · 03-08-2006, 09:21 AM

You can always ignore it or use a maic marker and cross out that area on your monitor.

joeychgo · 03-08-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

You can always ignore it or use a maic marker and cross out that area on your monitor.

Dont forget white-out

sportsoutlaw · 07-25-2006, 01:44 AM

Hey John, I see you are running 2.4.0 here.

If you like what you see now, you are going to absolutely love 3.0.0 I have been running it for a while now and I am loving the way it integrates the ping/trackback features of a blog into the forum.

BamaStangGuy · 07-25-2006, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sportsoutlaw

Hey John, I see you are running 2.4.0 here.

If you like what you see now, you are going to absolutely love 3.0.0 I have been running it for a while now and I am loving the way it integrates the ping/trackback features of a blog into the forum.

I agree. I am running 3.0.0 RC3 and its absolutely amazing.

John Scott · 07-25-2006, 02:06 AM

Can I see an example of a trackback on a forum post?

reteep · 07-25-2006, 03:10 AM

Also running vbSEO 3.0 RC3 for quite some time now, running smooth and the features are great.

sportsoutlaw · 07-25-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnScott

Can I see an example of a trackback on a forum post?

there are 4 options for how you can make it look in your posts

Here is a thread that has a trackback in it
http://www.sportsoutlaw.com/forum/nf...html#post70461

The trackback info by default is at the bottom of the forum page. You can move it, I like the default location.

And just like wordpress, or other blogs, vbseo pings to services of your choice.

bl.og is currently my largest external referrer for traffic this month on two of my forums.

John Scott · 07-25-2006, 08:35 AM

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bl.og is currently my largest external referrer for traffic this month on two of my forums.

How so? I guess I'm a little dense. I just don't see how enabling trackbacks helps traffic.