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09-28-2011, 03:50 AM
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I no longer use writing articles since they authority websites such as ezine and the rest, suffered the most from the last Panda update. Now placing link to your site from your article is very hard, at least for me.
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09-28-2011, 04:12 AM
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What about the sites use the feed of article sites. Like Articlebase article feed used by so many sites and they publish content in there website and effectively provide backlinks. Is this good ? As we have no control over the use of those feed.
So what the problem to publish the content in various platforms. I know that will not give much benefit but logically isnt it like the same way of feed distribution ? Correct me if I am wrong.
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09-28-2011, 06:42 PM
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but what happens with the fear of duplicate content. So you are saying that duplicate content is overrated is that so or I am missing something?
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What kind of duplicate content? Is it stealing a content or bulk of repeated content submission?
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09-28-2011, 09:21 PM
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I feel now Google panda update is not working well now ..what you think .is it really working ??
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09-29-2011, 01:57 AM
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Rand Fishkin had said, "What do you think Google can't detect spun content?? Google is spending millions of dollars for their research work on topics like this...."
And I am agree with that point....
If you are asking for the impact of particular act on the SERP then let me tell you something... You Can't find right answer....
Google consider lots & lots of parameters in their calculation and these real & complex parameters have their variable exponential effect on SERP....
So, you may think that I have changed some lines in my articles and I got the result....
But If Google find this kind of different different article linking to your website, you will cross the threshold line after some value (some no. of buggy content)... Then you will face the result....
What one should do is....
SUBMIT ORIGINAL CONTENT TO DIFFERENT ARTICLE DIRECTORIES...
And don't RELY on any single or double link-building strategy...
Hope this helps...
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09-29-2011, 07:41 AM
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You don't have to change 1 word of your article if you want to submit it to different directories. In fact, having a bunch of different sites publish your article is a good things; it's called "syndication", and it's what all (successful) article marketers are striving for.
However, submitting your articles to a bunch of low-level directories isn't really the best use of your time. Most of those directories are rarely visited by actual people and search engine spiders (so it can take weeks or months to even get the PR 0 backlink you'll get from submitting your article there).
If you really want to make the best use of your time, instead of submitting to a ton of low-level article directories, look for guest posting opportunities or strike up relationships with website owners in your niche who accept work from other authors. That way, you'll wind up with a better backlink AND a bunch of eyeballs on your article.
And, of course, you have to "write for syndication", too - meaning that your stuff has got to be good. If it's light on research, full of spelling and grammar mistakes, or just not a very interesting read, no one's going to want to re-publish it on their own sites.
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09-29-2011, 11:22 PM
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You don't have to change 1 word of your article if you want to submit it to different directories. In fact, having a bunch of different sites publish your article is a good things; it's called "syndication", and it's what all (successful) article marketers are striving for.
However, submitting your articles to a bunch of low-level directories isn't really the best use of your time. Most of those directories are rarely visited by actual people and search engine spiders (so it can take weeks or months to even get the PR 0 backlink you'll get from submitting your article there).
If you really want to make the best use of your time, instead of submitting to a ton of low-level article directories, look for guest posting opportunities or strike up relationships with website owners in your niche who accept work from other authors. That way, you'll wind up with a better backlink AND a bunch of eyeballs on your article.
And, of course, you have to "write for syndication", too - meaning that your stuff has got to be good. If it's light on research, full of spelling and grammar mistakes, or just not a very interesting read, no one's going to want to re-publish it on their own sites.
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It's really great nicolebeckett but why should any reputed blog will pick any non-unique content... which is already published on other sites... I have reald guest blogging guidance of many blogs which accept guest blog and they simply write that they will accept unique articles only...
Just my point of view...
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09-29-2011, 11:28 PM
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you can use isanre.com for submit your article this site will automatic send your articles more 1000 article directory.
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09-30-2011, 06:08 AM
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It's really great nicolebeckett but why should any reputed blog will pick any non-unique content... which is already published on other sites... I have reald guest blogging guidance of many blogs which accept guest blog and they simply write that they will accept unique articles only...
Just my point of view... 
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If webmasters didn't want to re-publish content that they found somewhere else, all of the article directories like Ezine would be out of business. After all, that's what the article directories were created to do - provide webmasters with free content that they could publish on their websites (as long as they left the links and byline intact).
Internet marketers have since swooped in on the article directories, thinking that they're merely "link generators", but the truth is, all of the article directories are simply resources for webmasters to find free content.
Also, if you're not happy with the guest blogging opportunities you're finding, try signing up for My Blog Guest and Cathy Stucker's guest blog email list (both of which are free) to find more opportunities. Some places may want content that hasn't been published anywhere else, some may want you to wait a week or so before you publish your content anywhere else, some may not care if it's exclusive or not. Even if a blog owner wants something totally exclusive, the exposure you get is well worth your time to write something up.
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09-30-2011, 07:48 AM
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I think there is something wrong in communication...
webmasters who offering guest blogs with their own guidelines already own very reputed blogs... They are doing it not for content but for better social group, better social image and of course for the variety what they actually want..
let me give some example,
kikolani.com
meditationden.com
lovesagame.com
There are lots of moderate level reputed websites...
Lets see some big names...
seomoz.org/blog
mashable.com
quicksprout.com
artofblog.com
You are talking about those who are finding content to run their website....
May be I am wrong but it's not guest blog...
I am totally agree with your following point
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they're merely "link generators", but the truth is, all of the article directories are simply resources for webmasters to find free content.
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But what actually happen in more then 90% of cases is, those webmaster simply remove the resource box and put the 'article source:' & link to article...
Article creator don't get his cup of tea!
I am not negative thinker nor I am opposing real quality guest post....
What I am suggesting is your last line...
I forgot to mention 1 thing....
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You don't have to change 1 word of your article if you want to submit it to different directories. In fact, having a bunch of different sites publish your article is a good things; it's called "syndication", and it's what all (successful) article marketers are striving for.
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syndication contains the links to the original content. Means all clones links to the original one who is exactly same except the source link... When there is no link to the main original content, technically it can be called as duplicate content.
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09-30-2011, 08:14 AM
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But what actually happen in more then 90% of cases is, those webmaster simply remove the resource box and put the 'article source:' & link to article...
Article creator don't get his cup of tea!
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It's more than not "getting his cup of tea". Publishing articles without the resource box is against the terms of service of any article directory I've ever seen (and anyone who pulls content from the directories is required to abide by the TOS). Plus, and more seriously, publishing articles without the resource box is a copyright violation.
Yes, there are going to be people that steal your articles off of the directories. But that doesn't mean you stop writing for syndication purposes. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face  If your goal isn't to get your articles syndicated, then, quite frankly, you're completely missing the point of article marketing.
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syndication contains the links to the original content. Means all clones links to the original one who is exactly same except the source link... When there is no link to the main original content, technically it can be called as duplicate content.
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Duplicate content applies ONLY TO YOUR OWN SITE. If you had the same article on 2 different pages of your site, that would be duplicate content. If you had the same article syndicated on 1,000 different websites, it's not duplicate content.
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Suppose I wrote an article and 5 different webmasters cum web spammers ditto copy it... What should I call the content on the website ??
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Publishing articles without the resource box is against the terms of service of any article directory I've ever seen
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Do you think those who bluntly steal the contents care about TOS?
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Yes, there are going to be people that steal your articles off of the directories. But that doesn't mean you stop writing for syndication purposes.
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AGREED...
Ok, I don't want to argue nor want to prove anything, I really like your posts...
You know I am fan of Rand Fishkin... CEO of seomoz...
so called 'article marketing' is one of the nastiest and most buggy link building strategy in long run if you believe in no. of submissions of same article in different-different directories. May be you are forgetting about discount on links by Google.
You can check out his video of whiteboard Friday on article marketing and guest posting... This is his perception, not my paranoid...
Even if you consider it as marketing technique, only handful directories can give you traffic...
I think we (including me) should not shout our personal belief... I am just representing which is helpful...
Regards,
Nirav Dave
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Suppose I wrote an article and 5 different webmasters cum web spammers ditto copy it... What should I call the content on the website ??
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If the same exact article pops up on 5 different websites, it's called "syndicated content", not duplicate content.
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Absolutely not... However, it does give you extra leverage when you contact them and tell them to remove the content that they've stolen from you. Plus, it makes for an additional sentence in a DMCA form to Google  (of which I have filled out plenty)
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Ok, I don't want to argue nor want to prove anything, I really like your posts... 
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Thanks... definitely not here to argue  There's just alot of misinformation out there, and I don't want anyone to base their article marketing strategy on flawed (and downright incorrect) information.
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You know I am fan of Rand Fishkin... CEO of seomoz...so called 'article marketing' is one of the nastiest and most buggy link building strategy in long run if you believe in no. of submissions of same article in different-different directories. May be you are forgetting about discount on links by Google.
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If by "discount", you mean that the value of a link from the article directories has gone down, you're partially right. The article directories themselves aren't a great way to build links. Since each one of your articles gets published on a PR 0 page, these links are not of a really great quality (still better than no links, but still).
The article directories did get hit hard by the Google Panda updates (and many of the PR's of the home pages have gone down), but that hasn't affected the PR of the pages your articles are getting published on (they were PR 0 before, and they are PR 0 now).
If you're counting on the article directories strictly as a backlinking tool, you will be very disappointed. That's why syndication is so important. When your articles are re-published other places (honestly, with your resource box intact), you're going to get a link that's of a much better quality than PR 0. And, you're getting the extra benefit of added exposure.
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Even if you consider it as marketing technique, only handful directories can give you traffic...
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I don't "consider" it a marketing technique... it IS one (when done correctly, of course)
But, yes, there are plenty of article directories out there that don't get any traffic themselves - meaning that they won't give *you* any traffic. Mass submitting or "blasting" articles to 1,000's of different directories is a waste of time specifically for that reason. That's why it's important to focus your efforts on the top-tiered ones - and by publishing articles that are good enough that other people will WANT to syndicate them.
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10-01-2011, 01:57 AM
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If the same exact article pops up on 5 different websites, it's called "syndicated content", not duplicate content.
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Then may be Wikipedia is wrong...
According to wiki,
"Most commonly, web syndication refers to making web feeds available from a site in order to provide other people with a summary or update of the website's recently added content"
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndication_feed
syndication represent the content and links to original.... This thing indicated in term "the website's" means the original website's... Without link how could you say which website's ??
That's why feedproxy puts link to the original article...
May be you need more explanation let me show you something...

Ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSoX...eature=related
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Plus, it makes for an additional sentence in a DMCA form to Google  (of which I have filled out plenty)
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Me too... but it applies to Google products only...!!
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If by "discount", you mean that the value of a link from the article directories has gone down, you're partially right. The article directories themselves aren't a great way to build links. Since each one of your articles gets published on a PR 0 page, these links are not of a really great quality ( still better than no links, but still).
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I really like when someone say partially... I don't know what is partially wrong in link discount...
What you see as benefit, is NOT any benefit...
google will not going to give you link values like
1+0.7+0.5+0.3+0.1+0.05+0.03+0.01+0.005+0.003+0.001
you will get an all over result which is < 1
This will apply when you will cross the threshold of it's duplication and manipulation policy... Mark my older words... ONE WILL FACE THE RESULT IN LONG RUN... again this is not my paranoid... this is proven by a person who had did the research on top 30 websites of 10000 effective keywords in Google SERP. Based on the research and perception of his company, thousands of web companies making their future strategy...
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you're going to get a link that's of a much better quality than PR 0. And, you're getting the extra benefit of added exposure.
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I am not against the syndication, already matt cutts have said that syndication is natural process, if you will provide something valuable then your content must be syndicated... what my intention to let you understand is, "syndication is good, duplication is bad. if clone copies will not point to one original copy, they CONSIDERED as duplicate."
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It is of course... I already said, there are only handful excellent sites which can help you in your marketing... just check the alexa rank of mashable.com... This kind of websites can help you in so called marketing...
What we need to do is, see what is coming... Future belongs to quality work not quantity...
Still you think, I have mis-understanding than I have no words...
You are right, partially...
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Ok, so what about this website:
isnare.com
If I want complete white tactic hat SEO should I use it?
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Interesting conversation and debate between Nirav Dave and nicolebeckett, but I would have to agree with Nirav Dave and the analytics of Google whereby if the dup content across multiple domains is in fact creating higher positioning in Google Serps, then site could be, and may be penalized. The purpose of those today haven't realize the impact dup content may have on their website two years from now, which I believe is one the points Nirav Dave was trying to make. What works today, Dup content, article spinning, etc, to achieve higher rankings, will dissipate over time, i.e. make reference to hidden text which was used to keyword stuff when Google was a new search engine, but now hidden text is one way ticket to a ban and easily caught by the search engines. Therefore, when the improvement comes with Search Engines such as Google, then you may see a penalty from Duplicate or Spun content. Only time will tell.
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Don't post your same article on more then 3-4 websites because more then it, your Article will come in duplicate content and it is come in Black hat SEO technique, Search engines are not allow it.
After come Google Panda, it is more harmful for your website because if you post same article on several websites for your website, you will get unexpected results means high drop in ranking, penalty, site ban.. etc.
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HI,
Yes you write one article and submit it on several directories. The thing that you must take care of is the content. You must choose a unique title for your article which must contain at least one keyword that you are including in your article. The summary should also have the same keyword which is there in your Title. At a time you can take 2 keywords with different or same URL in your article.
If you write multiple article on the same topic make sure you change the content as well as the title of the article.
Make sure there is no duplicate content in your articles.
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Just making quality content and presenting really effective work is an automatic solution....
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