Impact on SEO after Penguin Update

[AlisonSam]

All my websites are in same position except on website of Uk tld. But I am clueless why this happened to that particular cosmetic surgery site

[C0ldf1re]

Originally Posted by Dreamrage

Or not do it at all. Weird to see that so many still chase search engines....

You have to be a man to understand, dear. It is the heroic challenge. Slaying dragons... Trouncing black knights... Bringing scoundrels to justice... Outwitting Google... It is all the thrill of winning.

[Dreamrage]

Originally Posted by C0ldf1re

You have to be a man to understand, dear. It is the heroic challenge. Slaying dragons... Trouncing black knights... Bringing scoundrels to justice... Outwitting Google... It is all the thrill of winning.

ttt... still trying to pick fights with redheads I see.



I don't think I will ever understand why. There are so many other ways than stuffing a website with keywords, flogging it with links and then begging for mercy when they come knocking.

[C0ldf1re]

Originally Posted by Dreamrage

ttt... still trying to pick fights with redheads I see. .

You're a redhead? OMG. My mother was a redhead, and she had such an awful temper that I swore that I would never fall in love with a redheaded girl. I will have to think about this.

Originally Posted by Dreamrage

... There are so many other ways than stuffing a website with keywords, flogging it with links and then begging for mercy when they come knocking.

Yes. There are other ways. And I'm not posting them on a forum. If I were Google, I would spy on every SEO forum. And I'm guessing that Google's PhD's are every bit as clever as me, and are bright enough to do that too.

[Dreamrage]

Originally Posted by C0ldf1re

You're a redhead? OMG. My mother was a redhead, and she had such an awful temper that I swore that I would never fall in love with a redheaded girl. I will have to think about this.


Yes. There are other ways. And I'm not posting them on a forum. If I were Google, I would spy on every SEO forum. And I'm guessing that Google's PhD's are every bit as clever as me, and are bright enough to do that too.

Oh yea...

They probably already do. They're like the SEO Elves, they know who's being naughty or nice.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by C0ldf1re

You're a redheadI'm guessing that Google's PhD's are every bit as clever as me, and are bright enough to do that too.

Only their's 33,000 of them and one of you. Not to mention their budget. Eventually they learn the game, and every time they learn, you lose. However, someone else gains.

I think... being as smart as you, maybe you could invest your time in thinking of ways to create unique white hat strategy. If you cant beat them join em... Regardless of how many times you may have gamed them without them catching you.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Dreamrage

Oh yea...

They probably already do. They're like the SEO Elves, they know who's being naughty or nice.

Great! if they are reading and watching what I do... they wil be glad to help rank anything my name is associated with. Because I am giving value to their business! Right? lolz

[C0ldf1re]

Hi Donnie!

I see that you do know what you are talking about!

Originally Posted by Donnie

Only their's 33,000 of them and one of you. Not to mention their budget. Eventually they learn the game, and every time they learn, you lose. However, someone else gains...

One elephant can beat 33,000 slugs in a fight. Is that too arrogant? No, just think about it. Bear in mind that out of the 33,000 Google staff, 99% only do what they are told, rather than having the freedom of action that we enjoy. Out of the few Google staff who can show initiative, they spend 99% of their time dealing with bigger problems than us. Viewed in that way, somebody with innovative ideas can still beat the Google algorithm.

Originally Posted by Donnie

... I think... being as smart as you...

All compliments are appreciated. I am too well-mannered to even consider the possibility that anybody might be so gross as to be sarcastic.

Originally Posted by Donnie

... maybe you could invest your time in thinking of ways to create unique white hat strategy. If you cant beat them join em...

Definition of "black hat": something Google forbids.
Definition of "white hat": anything not black hat.
If Google have not noticed it yet, then they cannot forbid it. Therefore it is white hat.
If a man has created a "unique white hat strategy", he would be a fool to share it. It might then flood the web, causing Google to notice it and forbid it.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by C0ldf1re

Hi Donnie!

I see that you do know what you are talking about!



One elephant can beat 33,000 slugs in a fight. Is that too arrogant? No, just think about it. Bear in mind that out of the 33,000 Google staff, 99% only do what they are told, rather than having the freedom of action that we enjoy. Out of the few Google staff who can show initiative, they spend 99% of their time dealing with bigger problems than us. Viewed in that way, somebody with innovative ideas can still beat the Google algorithm.

We cannot be certain of your figures. I doubt a company as valuable as Google hires any bum off the street. My educated guess is their staff is full of overqualified engineers and other educated geeks. Also, they are working on an algorithm for a SERP. The SERP is public and anyone can report anything suspicious. All I am saying is instead of trying to cheat the system and look over your shoulder for a new update that will sabotage your time and work. Work within Googles guidelines and never look back.

Originally Posted by C0ldf1re

All compliments are appreciated. I am too well-mannered to even consider the possibility that anybody might be so gross as to be sarcastic.

lol, I fight ego with sarcasm : ) ... However, not judging your intelligence. From having this discussion I know your a bright dude.

Originally Posted by C0ldf1re

Definition of "black hat": something Google forbids.
Definition of "white hat": anything not black hat.
If Google have not noticed it yet, then they cannot forbid it. Therefore it is white hat.
If a man has created a "unique white hat strategy", he would be a fool to share it. It might then flood the web, causing Google to notice it and forbid it.

Touché! in this case you are not doing black hat... Yet!

I am very curious about these strategies you mention, that Google cannot detect... Yet!

[C0ldf1re]

Originally Posted by Donnie

... Touché! in this case you are not doing black hat... Yet!
I am very curious about these strategies you mention, that Google cannot detect... Yet!

My method is not as good as it sounds, Donnie! ... Yet...

Zooming a website to the top of serps is the easy bit. People do it all the time by black-hat. They can successfully game the Google algorithm.

Their danger is that their competitors, the owners of the websites that were previously at the top of serps and which have moved down, do not take it lightly. They closely inspect the new website at the top of serps, analysing all its code and inbound links. Then they report anything suspicious to Google.

At present I am testing in areas where the top of serps is dominated by amateur websites. Because they are not intending to make money from their sites, they do not care that my tiny test sites suddenly jump over hundreds of much better sites in serps. They probably never even notice.

I haven't dared take my techniques into "money" areas yet. Just imagine if I sent a tiny test site to the top of serps for, "buy v14gr4 online", or for, "real estate new york". It would be analysed, reported, and blacklisted within hours, and Google would add my techniques to the things that their algorithm should look for.

Before I can try areas like that, I would need a big professional website that looks natural at the top of serps. It would need lots of genuine inbound links, too, to pass as legitimate. Only then would I dare add some Google-beating techniques, as the icing on the cake, as it were. And then the website code would need to be made so huge, complex and impenetrable that no human could analyse it!

That is a lot of work to do. And having done all that work, there is no guarantee at all that my techniques would still work well in highly-competitive areas! For example, there are about 131,000,000 results in Google serps for, "buy v14gr4 online." Getting to position 131 would be a brilliant vindication of my software, but would not earn me a cent.

[smileverse]

I have got my sites and blogs keyword rankings are improved a lot during the last week. However, i have not seen any negative impact on any of my websites, blogs after penguin update.

[WebOut]

Yes, there are updates. But Google just want to reiterate the ethics in SEO or the used of White Hat SEO.