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Old 06-04-2006, 09:27 AM
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How many keywords per page

.... when you optimise a page how many keywords do you optimise it for?
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Keyword density is different for each search engine. According to me 3-5 keywords are sufficient on each page.
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Yeah, about 3 or 4.
 
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:16 PM
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Keyword density doesn't really have a huge impact on rankings.
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10-15 keywords per page. Their density should be around 5% of a total word count. They DO impact your rankings very much.
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:25 PM
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10-15 keywords per page. Their density should be around 5% of a total word count. They DO impact your rankings very much.
10 to 15 occurences, or 10 to 15 different keywords?

And no, they do not impact rankings very much, not in SERPs full of anchor text driven rankings.
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:33 PM
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10 to 15 occurences, or 10 to 15 different keywords?

And no, they do not impact rankings very much, not in SERPs full of anchor text driven rankings.
I recently experimented with keyword density and onsite SEO and guess what? Got #2 spot in Google from #12 within next 2 days. The keyword I was optimizing for is going for $2-3 per click in AdWords. Thus, keyword factor on the page is still in place.
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Old 06-05-2006, 12:37 PM
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I recently experimented with keyword density and onsite SEO and guess what? Got #2 spot in Google from #12 within next 2 days. The keyword I was optimizing for is going for $2-3 per click in AdWords. Thus, keyword factor on the page is still in place.
What keyword? What page? How isolated was the test? How many links does the page have? What are the anchor texts involved?
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The keyword I optimized it for is "Translation Company". Now it's #2 in Google.

Sorry, people pay not $2-3 per such click, but $7
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:05 PM
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The keyword I optimized it for is "Translation Company". Now it's #2 in Google.

Sorry, people pay not $2-3 per such click, but $7
Google search for Translation Company gives me this:

1. www.atc.org.uk - keyword density 0%

2. www.betranslated.com - keyword density 0%

Which one of those was yours?
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:10 PM
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Those aren't the results I'm getting from Google.
 
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:12 PM
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Those aren't the results I'm getting from Google.
Want to copy and paste?

I'm getting:

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Association of Translation Companies - Translations, Translators ...
Represents leading translation companies in Britain and other European and overseas countries, through...
www.atc.org.uk/ - 3k - Cached - Similar pages

Language Translation services - French translation - German ...
Translation services concentrating mostly on English to French translation. Also German translation, Spanish translation, Dutch translation.
www.betranslated.com/ - 36k - Cached - Similar pages

High quality translation services for your documents and websites ...
Affordable translation services by freelance translators. Network of independant translation professionals working in teams to provide efficient and ...
www.betranslated.com/translation-services.html - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

Translation Services Company - Language Translation Agency
Translation service company offering high quality professional language translation at excellent prices. For websites and all other file types by a leading ...
www.appliedlanguage.com/ - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

McElroy Translation Company
McElroy Translation provides translation and localization services in all languages to business and government clientele enhancing their ability to compete ...
www.mcelroytranslation.com/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Translation Services USA - Translation Company Translators
Translation services of high quality by language translators at excellent prices by New York translation company.
www.translation-services-usa.com/ - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

Globalink Worldwide Express
Globalink Worldwide Express Global Site. An industry leader providing expedited global shipping, freight, logistics, and transport courier service, ...
www.globalink.com/ - 3k - Cached - Similar pages

Multilingo Translation Services - Language translation agency ...
translation agency, translation services, language translation , translation agencies uk, translation, language translations, agency.
www.online-language-translations.co.uk/ - 28k - Cached - Similar pages

FREE Text Online Translator :: PROMT Company
Free Text Translation service for Portuguese (Brazilian), English, German, French, Spanish, Italian and Russian languages. The services are powered by the ...
www.online-translator.com/text.asp - 41k - Cached - Similar pages

Professional Translation Services - All Translations Company
our translation company provides high-level professional translation services. All translations correspond with the client's guidelines to ensure best ...
www.all-translations.com/ - 13k - Cached - Similar pages
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His site is coming up #2 in google for me. http://www.translation-services-usa.com/ with a 1.29% kw density
 
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McElroy Translation Company
McElroy Translation provides translation and localization services in all languages to business and government clientele enhancing their ability to compete ...
www.mcelroytranslation.com/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Translation Services USA
Translation services of high quality by language translators at excellent prices by New York translation company.
www.translation-services-usa.com/ - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

Translation Company in New York - Translation Services USA
Translation company located in New York offers language translation services. Translation Services USA has professional translators in the US Spanish French ...
www.translation-services-usa.com/company.shtml - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Translation Experts - Spanish translation French translation ...
Translation Experts Limited is a company dedicated to the provision of products and services that bridge language barriers. We manufacture a variety of ...
www.tranexp.com/ - 29k - Cached - Similar pages

Cross Cultural Training, Intercultural Communication and ...
At Kwintessential we play a key role in helping individuals, companies ... Language Translation Service - links to all our languages translation services. ...
www.kwintessential.co.uk/ - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

ALS Translation Services
Translation service company offering high quality professional language translation at excellent prices. For websites and all other file types by a leading ...
www.appliedlanguage.com/ - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
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Here's a screenshot of my keyword - Let's see yours.
 
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:25 PM
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Um, don't see a screenshot. I'm checking the datacenters by IP right now. Not finding the datacenter that is throwing up the results you are finding, but the API has him at 2 and 3.
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:26 PM
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:36 PM
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Thanks Christy.

I have no doubt that he ranks for it. Even in the results I am seeing he is in the top ten.

But then he also stated:

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I recently experimented with keyword density and onsite SEO and guess what? Got #2 spot in Google from #12 within next 2 days.
That would seem to indicate that he thinks he got there because of keyword density.

However, many of the pages in the top ten do not even have one occurence of the keywords.

They are there because of anchor text of inbound links.

And our new friend has been a busy bee gathering 42,949 inbound links for that site, many of which have the anchor text "Translation Company".

With that many inbound links, and that many variations of related anchor texts, I really doubt that his on page optimization is having much impact at all. Not much positive impact at least.
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Thanks Christy.

I have no doubt that he ranks for it. Even in the results I am seeing he is in the top ten.

But then he also stated:



That would seem to indicate that he thinks he got there because of keyword density.

However, many of the pages in the top ten do not even have one occurence of the keywords.

They are there because of anchor text of inbound links.

And our new friend has been a busy bee gathering 42,949 inbound links for that site, many of which have the anchor text "Translation Company".

With that many inbound links, and that many variations of related anchor texts, I really doubt that his on page optimization is having much impact at all. Not much positive impact at least.
Ya think that many links will help his ranking? *smirk*
 
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Kind of overkill if you ask me.
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